ColonelFan999

I'm talking recent history - last two or three seasons - Coach L has lost players due to injuries and others because they were quitters (they played they quit - they played - they quit). He's lost coaches due to differences in strategy. And yet he still manages to beat Holmes. And based on this thread and others, it seems like everyone says Holmes is more talented. the only thing better than one Coach L is two Coach L's.

I know why! Coaching! As long as Coach L is at CCH, Holmes won't beat Cov Cath. Period.

not really - catholic still means universal - and the church that Jesus founded is universal, i.e., open to everyone.

of course not. But it is very clear from Scripture that Jesus founded one church.

Of course I have my own opinion, but that does not really matter. Let's look at what Jesus said: Jesus said his church would be "the light of the world." He noted that "a city set on a hill cannot be hid" (Matt. 5:14). This means his church is a visible organization. It must have characteristics that clearly identify it and that distinguish it from other churches. Jesus promised, "I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). This means that his church will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. His church will survive until his return and therefore it must be here today. If we wish to locate the church founded by Jesus, we need to locate the one that has the four chief marks of his church. The church we seek must be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic. The church is one (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13). Jesus established only one church, not a collection of differing churches (Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on). The Bible says the church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:23–32). Jesus can have but one spouse. His church must teach just one set of doctrines, which must be the same as those taught by the apostles (Jude 3). This is the unity of belief to which Scripture calls us (Phil. 1:27, 2:2). His church must never change any doctrine. Over the centuries, as doctrines are examined more fully, his church can come to understand them more deeply (John 16:12–13), but it never understands them to mean the opposite of what they once meant. The church is holy (Eph. 5:25–27, Rev. 19:7–8). By his grace Jesus makes the church holy, just as he is holy. This doesn’t mean that each member is always holy. Jesus said there would be both good and bad members in the church (John 6:70), and not all the members would go to heaven (Matt. 7:21–23). But the church itself is holy because it is the source of holiness and is the guardian of the special means of grace Jesus established, the sacraments (cf. Eph. 5:26). The church is catholic (Matt. 28:19–20, Rev. 5:9–10). Jesus’ church is called catholic ("universal" in Greek) because it is his gift to all people. He told his apostles to go throughout the world and make disciples of "all nations" (Matt. 28:19–20). For 2,000 years, Jesus’ church has carried out this mission, preaching the good news that Christ died for all men and that he wants all of us to be members of his universal family (Gal. 3:28). Nowadays his church is found in every country of the world and is still sending out missionaries to "make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19). The church is apostolic (Eph. 2:19–20). The church Jesus founded is apostolic because he appointed the apostles to be the first leaders of the church, and their successors were to be its future leaders. The apostles were the first bishops, and, since the first century, there has been an unbroken line of bishops faithfully handing on what the apostles taught the first Christians in Scripture and oral Tradition (2 Tim. 2:2). Early Christian writings show us the first Christians were thoroughly catholic in belief and practice and looked to the successors of the apostles as their leaders. What these first Christians believed is still believed by the catholic church. No other church can make that claim. The church Jesus established was known by its most common title, "the catholic church," at least as early as the year 107, when Ignatius of Antioch used that title to describe the one church Jesus founded. The title apparently was old in Ignatius’s time, which means it probably went all the way back to the time of the apostles.

I say this in true charity. You are missing something. We cannot have an infallible certitude of our own salvation. There is the possibility of self-deception (Matt. 7:22-23). As Jeremiah expressed it, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it?" (Jer. 17:9). There is also the possibility of falling from grace through sin, and even of falling away from the faith entirely, for as Jesus told us, there are those who "believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away" (Luke 8:13). It is in the light of these warnings and admonitions that we must understand Scripture’s positive statements concerning our ability to know and have confidence in our salvation. Assurance we may have; infallible certitude we may not. Also, Philippians 2:12 says, "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." This is not the language of certitude. Our salvation is something that remains to be worked out. And finally, Matthew 25: 41 says "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.'" This is from the "whatsover you do" story. My point is that you can pick 6 or 8 or 10 verses from the bible and conclude something. Someone else can pick 6 or 8 or 10 other verses and come to a different conclusion. But the bible is made up of thousands and thousands of verses. Jesus knew this confusion would happen and so He set up some safeguards for us. Remember that Peter tells us not to privately interpret scripture (quoted earlier in this thread). And Jesus tells us repeatedly that we are to turn to the church that He established for guidance and authentic interpretation.

No, it does not. Someone has given you bad information.

This is a great question. And you are right that if you read that verse by itslef then you can come to a certain conclusion. But if you read other verses, you can come to other conclusions. Again, we need to read scripture in its entirety and look at the context in which Jesus is speaking (when we quote Him).

In this thread a lot of us are quoting verses from the Bible and explaining what we think these verses mean. Remember that the bible tells us not to privately interpret scripture: "First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God" (2 Peter 1:20-21). Some Christians claim, "The Bible is all I need," but this notion is not taught in the Bible itself. In fact, the Bible teaches the contrary idea (2 Pet. 1:20–21, 3:15–16). The "Bible alone" theory was not believed by anyone in the early Church. It is new, having arisen only in the 1500s during the Protestant Reformation. The theory is a "tradition of men" that nullifies the Word of God, distorts the true role of the Bible, and undermines the authority of the Church Jesus established (Mark 7:1–8).

Yes, people can in fact be saved at the last minute. But do we ever know when the last minute will be? Is it worth taking that chance?

Yes, you are missing something. You are taking these verses out of context. You have to look at Scripture in its entirety. Christians do not have an "absolute" assurance of salvation. Consider this warning Paul gave: "See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22; see also Heb. 10:26–29, 2 Pet. 2:20–21). "Are you saved?" Here's how I reply: As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13). Now why in the world would Paul (or we) have to work out our salvation in fear and trembling. Think about it!

This old Colonels fan is praying for Shult.

Some people believe that all they have to do is "accept Christ as their Lord and Savior" and they are saved. But Scripture teaches that one’s final salvation depends on the state of the soul at death. As Jesus himself tells us, "He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31–46). In other words, one who dies in the state of friendship with God will go to heaven. The one who dies in a state of enmity and rebellion against God will go to hell.

How about that job by coach L? CCH lost last time these two teams played. And they are playing without Shult and TJ. And then they were trailing most of the first half of this game. Does anyone make adjustments better than Mike? He seems to get better and better.

Of course this is a tremendous loss, but Mike L has worked wonders this year without Shult and others (Bo, Brown, Maile) for games at a time. CCH was tied with HC at halftime. CCH made adjustments in the second half and beat HC soundly. Mike L had a great game plan.

3 points off. Michael Grimes had 25 points.

brown, shult, maile

even with injuries and all?

cch by 16. we'll all be laughing about this tomorrow.

yes, cch has had more talent and better coaching. this year the coaching advantage is much more evident.

CCH 56 HC 40 this one won't be as close as everyone thinks. cov cath's coaching staff is far superior to hc.

Mike Listermann of CCH is doing a great job this year.