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This could be an interesting week.

Is it looking like Foley?

Off the top of my head, since ‘98 they’ve been paired as 1/2 seeds in ‘02, ‘05, and ‘12.

And yet they still haven't met in the tourney in 21 years. Most kids on the 2 teams weren't even alive then.

I don't think he should have been chosen although he was a very good payer. There were a great number of HOF players from approximately 1955-75. I attribute it in large part to the African American and Latino players finally being allowed to play.

 

Also, why are there no pitchers on the all century team? Best pitcher in my lifetime: Sandy Koufax......... a Cincinnati native, I believe.

They had 9 pitchers on the team. Koufax was the 2nd leading vote-getter amongst pitchers.

After asking the question above, I looked at the stats. While Realmuto appears to be a consensus choice over Tucker, I'm not sure once you throw the contract status into the analysis, particularly for a team like the Reds, that Tucker isn't a better choice right now.

A 4.3 WAR player vs a 0.9 WAR player is a pretty significant difference in a division as competitive as the NL Central.

I say no. I just don't see anyone on that list that I could remove for him.

Nick Senzel will be the starting Centerfielder with the Reds sooner rather than later, that will push Puig to RF, and likely push Schebler to LF...which makes Hal Morriss, err, Jesse Winker and Matt Kemp extra outfielders.

If that's the case Schebler, not Winker, should be the extra outfielder. Winker will be a much better offensive player than Schebler if you can live with his horrific defense.

Thanks. I have never met anyone that does not go to games because it may last too long.

It isn't about people that are already fans. They're trying to grow their product and attract new fans. They feel in that in our ADD-filled society that new fans don't have the attention span for the long stretches with no action.

I am not sure when it last occurred but as UK continued to rise, it shouldn't be a surprise that they'd want to help ensure a rematch after the November debacle.

It was 1998. For all the complaining from UK fans about the selection committee making sure that UK and Duke end up in the same bracket, they haven't met in the tourney in 21 years.

Gotta make sure they play each other in the tourney for massive ratings. A little annoying but I'd like to have another shot at them, even if they lose.

But that hasn't actually happened since 1998, right?

Yes, but that has only been the format since 2012. There should be less representatives in 6 years than in the format that lasted 17 years.

 

Also, I understand your point on the change in format. It puts a wildcard team in the hole to have already used their ace going into a game against a division winner who is throwing their ace, but you can't knock a team for competing. Tanking is a lot of what's wrong with many sports. There are a lot of fans every year that would take losing in a divisional round or even the wild card game over what their teams do that season.

 

It's all about giving yourself at least that punchers chance by still playing meaningful games in August/September and having the opportunity to get hot at the right time. Baseball is the ultimate "who is hot now" streaky sport when it comes to post season success.

 

In the past 49 seasons the MLB team with the best regular season record won it all 13 times (27% of the time). In the 23 seasons since MLB started wild card play, 6 wild card teams have won it all (26% of the time). Neither number screams that this is the way it's done, but it does make me content with making the playoffs, even as a wild card, and seeing what damage can be done once there.

So only in only 1 season out of the 7 in the current format has produced a Wild Card team in the World Series, right? 10 of the 17 seasons under the old format had at least one World Series participant that was a Wild Card team. 14% vs 59%, that's a stark contrast.

While I don't disagree with you on where they finish, and wish they were set up via trades for more than the next year, I have to point out that baseball is the ultimate "hot streak" sport.

 

The 1997 Marlins, 2002 Angels, 2003 Marlins, 2004 Red Sox, and 2011 Cardinals all have one thing in common. They didn't win their division, but were hot when it mattered. These are only the teams that eventually won it all after being a wild card.

 

The 2000 Mets, 2002 Giants, 2005 Astros, 2006 Tigers, 2007 Rockies, 2014 Giants, and 2014 Royals are all content with not winning the division either, since they played in the World Series.

I think that only 2 of those teams, however, made it to the World Series in the current one game play in mode, correct?

Jared Goff was just overmatched by Darth Hoodie all night long. Fitting, the Saints should have been there anyway.

They gave up 2 prospects that were in the 8-9 range organizationally.

 

Both of whom are blocked by more well thought of prospects or young MLB talent.

Oh I'm not disagreeing on the moves. They were solid. To this point, however, I think all they have done is give themselves a 1 year window to compete for a wildcard.

I haven’t really bought into that in a while. Who was the last true “superstar” UK had? KAT? I wouldn’t consider anyone since a superstar. UK had a good run there for a while with Wall, Cousins, Davis, Towns, etc. but since KAT they have been winning with non-superstars.

Wasn't Malik Monk a 2nd team all-American? That's pretty elite.

You do realize that the players are the ones who decide where they sign, right?

 

The Reds may not have been interested in Miley. They may have offered him a better deal than Houston and he had no interest in Cincinnati.

 

The Reds have made more moves than pretty much any team in baseball this offseason, yet all some ever want to do is complain, complain, complain. :idunno:

Maybe because they've given up a couple of really good prospects and, thus far, have only opened up a 1 year window in which they are still solidly no better than 3rd in the division. They're improved, sure, but they are no better than a wild card team with this roster.

It's much more likely that UK gets a two seed. Seems like it would be easier to cross your fingers that you're the two seed in Duke or UVA's region rather than the long shot of them being a one seed. They'll have to beat UT three times to even have a chance at a one. Then they'll still need Michigan State, Michigan, and Gonzaga to stumble, not just Duke/UVA.

But won't Michigan/Michigan State take care of itself since one of them will beat the other? And I don't know that Virginia keeps a 1 seed if they lose to Duke and again in the ACC tourney. I don't think UK wins out with only a loss to Tennessee in one of 3 potential match ups either though so there's that.

It's hard to believe that someone finally got 100% of the vote, I figured there would be some old fart that wouldn't give him the vote.

I'm not saying Rivera isn't deserving, because he is. However there are many that have been just as deserving.

Shaughnessy from the Boston paper turned in a ballot with just Rivera checked. If there was anyone who would not go with Rivera to make sure he wasn't unanimous, he's the guy.

 

Apparently the old-school writers didn't communicate through group text to decide who would be the one no vote for Mo.

Now that the unanimous barrier has been broken maybe the ones that deserve that honor will get it from now on.

It's hard to believe that someone finally got 100% of the vote, I figured there would be some old fart that wouldn't give him the vote.

I'm not saying Rivera isn't deserving, because he is. However there are many that have been just as deserving.

Rivera should have gotten 100% off the vote. But like you said, he shouldn't have been the first to do so.

They did the tomahawk and a chant. How do you know their intentions? Some have said they thought originally he was playing along with them because they started chanting in response to the racist homophobic men harrassing them.

 

The African American men also made threats and one even picked up a staff to hit someone with if they got too close. You don't seem to mind that though...

 

Did you know that the tomahawk chop was offensive when you were a kid? I didn't. I'm a Braves fan, they still do it at every game.

Again, they didn't feel brave enough to respond like that to the African American group did they? The Native American wasn't with them was he? And in this era of social media there is no way that those students did not know that the tomahawk chop and chants were racially offensive.

They started doing school chants to drown out the homophobic, racist African American group. They weren't scared. They literally stood there and talked to them.

 

So... no.

I must have missed the part where they were brave enough to racially mock and taunt the African American group like they did the 70 year old Native American.

Let’s hope. Gray was brutal in a hitters ballpark last year but good on the road.

At $7 million he's worth the gamble. He could be a good number 3 if he returns to form.

One possible delay in announcement of #Reds ’ trade for #Yankees ’ Sonny Gray, which @jonHeyman said yesterday was being finalized: The Reds might be trying to sign Gray to an extension as part of deal. Have not confirmed this is under discussion, but would make sense . . .

That would definitely help.

Of course. It was a big, loud drum.

And it could be considered a war drum, so there's that.

It’s part of the entire circumstance. As I said in my post, the kids should have reacted to the Native American envoy better. However, it was the context of a completely bizarre series of events.

 

Send me your manual on how to react when a group of Native Americans approaches you with a banging drum, shortly after being taunted by another group.8

 

I wish they would have walked away. They didn’t. Many of the kids acted inappropriately and, I am certain that the issue will be addressed when they return to school.

 

Obviously, the right thing would have been to have the presence of mind to walk away, in that instant.

 

The point re: the African Americans is made to show that the boys are not racially charged bigots. They handled that situation perfectly and literally a minute later, they’re hit from another angle. I don’t think they developed an elitist, racist attitude in 30-60 seconds.

 

I think they didn’t act right and they will be taught/disciplined. To pontificate to the contrary and make assertions as to their parents is ridiculous.

 

I just want to point out that the reaction to the Native Americans was not out of hate. Given the circumstance, the reactions while inappropriate and discipline worthy, came from a different place than hate.

 

Again, don’t wear the MAGA gear. It’s akin to pouring a bucket of blood on your body and jumping in the ocean.

Or maybe it's because the African American group was a little more "scary" to the group than a 70 year old Native American with a drum. They probably didn't want to chance their reaction to taunts.

Are you serious?! He walked up to them, and people keep saying that the students surrounded him, but he had people that were with him behind him! No one surrounded him!

 

People just look for reasons to hate CCH and make up false narratives to bash kids to further their own agendas.

 

 

What did they do? A FEW KIDS did the tomahawk chop?! That was wrong, but what else did they do that people are bashing? They didn't harass the man or approach him like everyone was saying.

 

It's hilarious because it started as "the group of CCH students walked up and harassed a group of Native Americans," to "the group of CCH students surrounded and harassed a group of Native Americans," to "they surrounded and harassed one," to "they harassed one," to "a few kids did the tomahawk chop, which is hateful and just goes to show that CCH is a bunch of entitled punks."

 

It's actually beyond ridiculous.

 

 

What did they do that was so wrong? A few kids did the tomahawk chop?

 

 

THANK YOU! SOMEONE THAT THINKS LOGICALLY AND DOESN'T SEE THE INCIDENT THROUGH CCH-HATE LENS!

The administration of the school has acknowledged that the students were wrong. It's a shame we have people continuing to justify or defend their actions.