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Great.

 

The original post you quoted was a question about society. You choose not to answer because you can't admit what we all know. If I wanted your specific opinion, I would have asked for it.

 

It's cool. It's what I'd expect.

I can respond whether you ask for my specific opinion or not.

You said in here that the dudes shouldn’t be out playing police and that they shouldn’t have murdered Ahmaud but yet you’re still in here trying to rationalize their behavior. Congrats on making your politically correct post before you start tearing down the victim.

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So you were wrong about the Dallas officer and my comments.

Also, I'm not tearing down the victim. I've said countless times that even if he was doing something wrong in that house it's not a reason to kill him. I never rationalized anything, so you are wrong again.

Okay. Keep wearing those blinders. :lol2: :lol2:

Are you even reading what I am saying? What are you talking about? I didn't say anything about what others would believe, I said I can only speak for me.

I'm saying that if you were honest about society, you know as good as anyone else that a white man is far less likely to be assumed to be committing a crime than a black man.

I said before I can't speak for anyone else. But my experiences with people in my lifetime have shown me there are a lot of white people that would steal from their dying grandma.

Yeah whatever. I know enough. You did the same crap with the lady cop in Dallas. You do you, Chief. Nothing you say will change my opinion of you.

You mean when I said this, chief ?

I never once argued she was innocent or did nothing wrong. Think you're thinking of someone else.

If it wasn't an accident, it's murder.

 

If it was an accident, she isn't very aware of her surroundings and doesn't need to be the police anymore.

 

If she beats the charge, she doesn't need to work in law enforcement anymore.

We both know the answer to the question I asked.

I can't speak for anyone else. Can only speak for me. Are you saying I'm lying?

I’m definitely not saying that they gunned him down for no reason. Read between the lines here.

Maybe you are right. I don't know.

You have no proof that we’ve been mislead. What have you seen that shows he was doing anything besides jogging?

The video of him going inside a home that isn't his.

Yes we know. In your world racism doesn’t exist, has never existed and is a myth. We know you. You always make that clear.

I have never once even came close to insinuating that. You know nothing about me.

The bottom line for me here is if a white man did the same thing that AA did jogging and looking at the construction house, these men would not have confronted the white guy.

You don't know that. It's possible they have done the same thing before and chased down a white person for committing a crime.

Believe it or not, I know of a case where a white person was shot in the back (by a civilian) running away after committing a crime.

How is that evidence that he wasn’t out for a jog when he stopped at the house? It sounds like you are making an assumption.

I am not assuming anything. I am looking at the available evidence and giving my opinion.

It isn't impossible that he was out for a jog and I never meant my statement to be definitive. It doesn't appear to be someone out jogging to me.

I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

Would people assume he were at the construction site to steal if he were white?

There are a lot of white people who will steal from their own family without hesitation. I know plenty of them. Being white in itself doesn't make me assume you are innocent.

The house being built was left wide open, I doubt anyone left anything there worth any value to steal. Not to mention the victim didn't have anything stolen on him, a weapon, etc.

 

In other words you can't just kill someone because they may or may not have stole something.

Then why have surveillance cameras inside?

How are we being mislead? That sounds like an assumption to me. He clearly wasn't walking in the video from the home construction, it was more like a fast walk or even slowing down from a faster paced jog. He was a former football player so maybe he likes to stay in shape, hence going for a jog?

 

To me it seems like he was out for exercise and happened to pass by a home that was being constructed and left completely open. He took a break from jogging and walked through the house, then continued his jog without stealing anything or damaging anything. Then he was confronted by people in a truck, stopped at a stop sign waiting on him with guns in hand. He did nothing to show that he wasn't just out for a jog and looked at a new home being built.

 

Have you ever been out for a drive and see a house for sale that you like and stop and look the property over? I have several times and not once did I feel like doing so would get me shot.

I have seen this presented as an example of a black man being hunted down and killed for no reason other than jogging. If you can't see how that's misleading and leaving out some key information, I don't know what to tell you.

I'm done with this one. But first, I'll say it again for those are waiting to say I think any of this means it was okay to chase him down and kill him....I don't think that. I've said from the beginning that was obviously wrong and I can't stand people who try to be the police when they aren't the police.

But thats what I'm getting at, the facts. He visited a construction site but didn't steal anything nor damage anything, seems as if he was just looking around or resting for a few minutes. For what its worth since he's no longer here to tell anyone exactly what he was doing there are going to be assumptions, just like questioning whether he was really just out for a jog or not. But so far, video evidence, reports of nothing stolen or damaged etc, shows that he committed no crime.

None of that matters. I am not arguing that he was a violent person who needed to be gunned down.

I am arguing that we were mislead to believe he was simply jogging down the road and they profiled him because he is black and looked like someone who had broken into some houses before so they chased him down and killed him.

That's not accurate. They saw him go into a house and someone called 911, then they chased him which eventually lead to a fight and resulted in him being killed.

Again, to be clear, I don't think they should have chased him with weapons. It isn't their job.

But it's also irresponsible to frame it as someone jogging down the road being gunned down for being black. That is not what happened.

So he was out jogging and saw a construction site and decided to walk on it? This is a non discussion that shouldn’t even be brought up when talking about this case. It’s a irrelevant talking point.

It absolutely should be brought up when we have been mislead to believe he was hunted down and killed for no reason at all. That isn't true. Doesn't make it right, but it supports the argument that they believed he had broken into a house and they chased him. They didn't chase him because he was jogging.

Why else would he be out running besides a jog? That’s the only logical explanation for why he was running. If you’re going to steal something or anything else AA is accused of, then he wouldn’t have done it in broad daylight. That’s insane. He was out for a jog.

You are naive if you don't think people commit crimes in the daytime.

The only fact we have in this case is he was shot and killed. Everything else is appealing to common sense unless new facts arrive.

We know very little compared to what investigators know. My point remains that we have been mislead about some things in my opinion.

I’m sorry. I must have missed it. What evidence do we have that he wasn’t out for a jog?

There's video of him walking down the road, stopping for a moment in front of a house, then walking in the house and staying for several minutes.

Didn't look much like someone out jogging.

Before I get attacked for it....I am not saying this means he deserved to die.

Since he's unable to tell his side of what happened and there is no evidence that he did anything wrong at the construction site I feel like we just have to assume he was out for a jog and stopped there to look around, maybe rest for a minute, then resumed his jog. I completely agree with your last sentence.

We don't have to assume anything. We should look at facts and try not to be emotional. Making people emotional and angry is the end game for some.

The construction site video is an attempt for people to say “See, he wasn’t doing what he was supposed to!” It’s a form of justification.

Saying he was just out for a jog, when it appears that isn't true, is also misleading.

I could be wrong, maybe he was out for a jog. Didn't look that way though.

Regardless, for the 10th time, it doesn't justify killing him.

You don’t know he wasn’t out for a jog and didn’t go through the construction site on his way.

 

What we do know is that he was jogging, minding his own business when he was killed.

Just like you don't know why he was running. My point is the media looks to divide people and will sell something as fact when they don't know.

I still don't believe they should have chased him down with guns.

This.

 

Again, even if he was jogging with a big-screen TV under one arm and a wad of cash in his other hand, there's no reason for those men to be armed and ready to fire away.

Did I say otherwise? No, in fact I am pretty sure I clarified this in my post.

What was he doing when they stopped him and shot him?

Running from someone or some place and just being out for a jog are two different things.

So supposedly the house that he supposedly went in to, was under construction. If so I don’t think there is anyone of us on here that hasn’t stepped foot on a construction site of a house that wasn’t ours. Growing up my house was the first on our street so I watched every other house on the street be built and I know for a fact that I was in every one of those houses before they were finished. That’s not a crime.

It depends on his intent in the house. Regardless, not my point. Point is that it doesn't seem like he was just out jogging and chased down for no reason like we had been told.

Doesn't change my opinion that they shouldn't have chased him with weapons and killed him.