BlueKernels

1 hour ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

Cov Cath's offense took a lot of time to get into their huddle and get plays off in the 4th quarter. The offensive line was getting pushed around by Beechwood's D-line most of the night, and the offense honestly looked about as gassed as I can ever remember seeing it in the last 4 or 5 seasons. Took them the entirety of the first 2-1/2 minutes of the 4Q to run their first 4 plays and pick up 11 yards.

Cov Cath had it 1st and 10 on the Beechwood 44 yard line at about the 8:54 mark in the 4th quarter. Holtz threw to Zion Mason at about the 10 yard line outside the right hash marks. Two Beechwood defenders were step-for-step with Zion Mason, and the ball ended up going through cornerback Parker Mason's hands in what rightfully should have been a Beechwood interception. About 4 plays later Cov Cath had the ball 1st and 10 on the 22 yard line with about 5:20 to go and threw a pass intended for Agee in the end zone and the ball landed about 5 yards out the back of the end zone.

Beechwood's secondary is extremely strong (and looks to stay strong for several years coming). I could be wrong, but I don't believe they lost a single defensive back from last season, and last season they held Caleb Jacob to 108 yards passing. That's about 75 yards under Caleb's career average for single game passing. Add to that the fact that our starting QB was intercepted 6 times in the first 3 games this season, and I would have to think it would give any decent coach some serious pause when considering taking deep shots against a talented defensive backfield.

I think poor QB play in this and last years CCH vs Beechwood games had more to do with CCH’s issues. Tigers db’s are quick and aggressive but very undersized. A team with a good Qb and some 6 foot plus receivers/ TE’s should be able to take advantage. Eddie didn’t have enough faith in passing game to even try last week. 

13 minutes ago, PP1 said:

It is kind of funny hearing Cov Cath fans complain about the legitimacy of an opposing team's roster and personnel. 

Really? How so? 

13 minutes ago, gbballfan21 said:

CCH students were yelling derogatory stuff towards the players and coaches during pregame. Which is fine, to each their own.  CCH administrators are right there and they do nothing about it. An INSANELY derogatory social media post was sent out by CCH students before the game, which made an already motivated team even more heated. Coach Hergott simply put his hand to his ear making a “I can’t hear you” gesture towards the crowd, which is evident by the video, and he was met with a “you’re a POS” from a coach from CCH as he was walking to shake their hands. Again, all was evident in the video.  Please, I beg you, worry about what’s happening inside the CCH program, it’s not good……

They were chanting "5th year senior" and go to college.  But yeah, totally normal for a coach to engage  with students from the opposing team. 

Found out what the issue at the end of the game was. Coach Hergott, as soon as game ended started walking toward CCH student section and was yelling and gesturing to them. Super classy. There is a video of it on 859 sports  Twitter if your interested.

1 hour ago, bluecolonels95 said:

Agree. Eviston got no faith in his QB’s. 

It's frustrating for sure. While CCH doesn't have Mayer they do have several really good options to throw the ball to, he just doesn't trust the QB to throw the ball 

4 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

I think Berger carried the ball more than a couple times in the first half. And it definitely is a different game without Hergott. But I didn't see any area of the game where CCH was better than Beechwood tonight.

I have to agree about the CCH QB situation. When Eviston would not throw the ball despite being down 3 TD's at the start of the 4th quarter, that says a lot right there. It will be interesting to see what Eviston does at QB the rest of the way.

I couldn’t believe Eddie just sort of gave up at the end. You have to at least try to score quickly right?

4 minutes ago, gcbleedblue said:

You really don’t like that kid playing huh? 

What did I say that’s inaccurate? I’m saying that Cam is really good and has a huge impact on the game given the critical impact a hs Qb has on a game. 
 

I obviously don’t like the rule but it’s allowed so is what it is. 

2 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

The Tigers did not punt the ball tonight. When is the last time a team never had to punt the ball against Cov Cath's defense? Hergott had a couple big runs tonight, and he is Mr. Football ... but, does anyone else think Beechwood wins this game with someone else at QB? They only needed to score two TD's to win this one, right? Could Beechwood's offense score two TD's without Hergott at QB? 

The point I am getting to is Beechwood just looked like the better team all the way around. 

I think your getting a little carried away. Cam was the entire offense in the first half. I think there were 2 rushes not by him. Beechwood played really well, but without Cam it’s a different game. QB is the most important position by a mile in HS, and CCH and beechwood were miles apart in that category. 

8 minutes ago, bluecolonels95 said:

I was close on my prediction. I figured it would be a 3 touchdown win for BW even though I guessed 35-14. Don’t know what I was thinking by assuming CCH could score 14 points with no passing game.  Nothing against Holtz but he is not the answer at QB. Keep him at LB.  It’s been 5 games now. Either bring the sophomore in at QB and give him a chance or make Agee the QB as long as he can throw the ball more than 10 yards. He seems like he is just a running QB too. Someone in that school of 600 boys has got to be able to throw the ball down field with some accuracy and actually hit a wide receiver. 
 

The other issue is special teams. CCH is simply bad in that department.  Every game we give up a big play. The onside kick disaster in the Lex Cath game killed us there. Dixie had kickoff return for TD.  The kickoff return to the 10 yard line in this game after we just scored with like a minute left in the half. Geez people. Not to mention our kicking game is non existent and hurts us in every game this year. 

The whole night I had to listen to Thom Brenneman talk about the size disparity and how much bigger CCH was over BW but yet we still got pushed around. Still couldn’t stop Cam. It’s just frustrating to see I guess. I  can only imagine how frustrated Eviston is right now by not having a offense that can score consistently. 
 

I was shocked at how small Beechwood was outside of Slusher and Jackson, but CCH still couldn’t take advantage. I do think Eddie bears the responsibility of refusing to make adjustments, I mean how many times do we run a bubble screen or see the defense lose contain. Totally out coached. 

20 minutes ago, snakesnot_2000 said:

One player won’t beat Mayfield. I think we have way more skill players than Beechwood. The only advantage is the qb. 

Cam is 90% of the Beechwood offense. Everything revolves around him running and the threat of him running. Can’t believe CCH didn’t at least try to put a spy on him. The worst coaching performance from Eddie I’ve seen, by far. Refuses to make adjustments, offense is out of whack, something starts working and then he goes away from it. Doesn’t take advantage of obvious size advantages that CCH TE’s have over the beechwood secondary/lb’s.  He was badly out coached. .

3 minutes ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

No halftime stats, but looking at the yardages in my posts, I've got:

Beechwood: 76 yards, touchdown.
Cov Cath: 59 yards, FG attempt no good.
Beechwood: 81 yards, touchdown.
Cov Cath: 67 yards, touchdown.
Beechwood: 12 yards, touchdown.
Cov Cath: ~8 yards, end of half.

Beechwood's offense with 169 yards, Cov Cath's offense with 134 yards.

The KO return for Beechwood was a killer. Pretty even otherwise all things considered

CCH offense being unable to consistently throw the ball is killing them. Tigers' safetys coming up to play run D. Not worried about the pass at all. 

So far entire Tiger offense is Cam.....no surprise there. I'd do the same thing if I was Rash.

1 minute ago, Voice of Reason said:

For those CCH fans who are saying make Hergott beat you passing the ball, Beechwood has not needed to throw the ball a lot this year but here are the numbers:

Hergott has completed 69.1% of his passes on the season. He has thrown for 770 yards and is averaging 20.26 yards per completion. He has 8 touchdown passes and 0 interceptions. 

WR Parker Mason is averaging 29.6 yards per catch and Mitchell Berger is averaging 26.3 yards per catch.

I would still think that is the best game plan for CCH. The 4 teams Beechwood has played so far this year have a combine 2 wins, so I'm not sure how much to take out of the stat's put up thus far. Doesn't mean CCH will win, but they will be the best team that Beechwood has played so far by a wide margin. 

3 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

For perspective (and perhaps a reality check for some overenthusiastic Beechwood fans) the last win for Beechwood over Cov Cath was 2014, a 28-13 win at Cov Cath. I call that the Brett Slusher game as he was absolutely amazing and almost single handedly led Beechwood to the win. Slusher returned a a kickoff for a TD, scored two TD's on receptions, intercepted a pass and was even more dynamic on defense making sacks and key plays from his linebacker slot.

The last home win for Beechwood over Cov Cath was 2008 by a score of 35-21. That 2008 team was loaded for Beechwood with multiple D1 athletes and went on to win their second consecutive state title. One of the key players on that team was Brady Slusher.

As I look at this year's team, I see things in common with those two teams. This team has multiple D1 scholarship players. This team has studs at the line of scrimmage, like those two teams did. And this team has a Slusher, cousin Luke who is a D1 commit to WKU.

CCH has some D1 guys as well for what it's worth. Will be a great game. 

56 minutes ago, Bucketgetter said:

You must not have understood the parent correctly. I can tell you that DID NOT happen. In fact Coach Rash was influencing his players to move on if they could. Rash did not have and influence over the decision that families made to let their kids stay. Maybe if Cov Cath parents didn't have to pay 10k+ per year, they might have considered sending their kids back another year. 

There was no misunderstanding, but sure, whatever you say. Beechwood has by far I believe the most repeating football players in NKY. Maybe most parents across the board just want their kids to move on with life and not sacrifice a year for the chance to be a h.s. Football/sports superstar. 
 

Anyway… if CCH can keep Cam in the mostly in the  pocket and throw from there I think they win 28-24.

35 minutes ago, theguru said:

Do we think the Beechwood defense is better than the Dixie defense?  

CCH scored 24 on Dixie. 

It will be interesting to see. The Dixie D was tough... CCH started to wear them down in 2nd half but they were really strong for most of the game. 

10 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:

How do you define struggle? What about an A student who got B's last year?  Or even an A+ student who got A-. Those numbers could make a big difference in where a kid goes to college. 

 

I would define not struggling as anyone who repeats senior year but only stays for half of it and graduate in December. Gotta stick to talk about the game though... and apparently Mr. Football being back for a 5th year will not impact the game so we should just focus on things that will. 

To that point; I think for CCH to win they must keep the Beechwood QB in the pocket, shut down running lanes, and force him to throw quickly without scrambling. Which will be a tough task, however, CCH secondary, especially Agee and Mason, were really solid last week so they should be up to the task. CCH will have to be more consistent in the passing game and take advantage of underneath routes to compliment the run game. 

2 minutes ago, ChickenWyngz said:

So the state should have told Cam he was too good to repeat a year? 

Of course not! In his rights to do so. Just think it is crazy to repeat for sports reasons and the rule should have been geared towards those who really struggled academically. But, the rule allows anyone who's district/school allows it, so it is what it is. 

Just now, Voice of Reason said:

What if that 6th grader turns out to be Mr. Football? The only difference is what year the athlete repeated.

There was a high level D1 QB in N. Ky. several years ago that repeated a middle school year. Nobody said much about it.

I agree to an extent. However, the difference is that repeat year happened well before developing into a D1 level QB. Not saying it's wrong, it just obviously isn't the same as a middle school kid repeating. 

2 minutes ago, Kanaka Kahakai said:

So student- athletes entering their senior school year as 17 turning 18 (or 18-19) before graduating in May is no difference than someone entering their school senior year at 19 then turning 20 graduating in May? 🤔

Exactly, take a kid with a September Birthday, who didn't turn 17 until that Sept. in his Senior year, he would be a Sophmore in college before turning 19. You could have kids who could technically be young sophmores in college, if they have August or September bdays, playing this year as high school seniors. 

7 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Topic one - players redoing a year.

The only story line on this topic in this year's game is Cam. He is the only Beechwood senior coming back for another year. Every other player on the field for Beechwood Friday night would be there this year if they did not choose to redo a year. 

On the redo year in general - the KHSAA has an age rule that is still in force and did not change from previous years. From that longstanding rule, to my knowledge all Beechwood players are within the rule. There aren't going to be any 20 year olds playing for Beechwood or any other team in the state. I see little difference between the redo rule and players choosing to redo their 6th, 7th or 8th grade year, which has happened for years. There is another team in the state that has a large group of players who repeated their 8th grade year together. Is that any different? The only difference in my mind is a player repeated a year while in high school versus before entering high school. All these players from previous years and the redo rule year have to meet the same age requirement rule that has been in place for years. So let's not act like these are 20 year olds taking the field this year or in future years.

 

Obviously still within the rules, but let's not act like there is no difference or huge advantage between a kid being held back in lower grades, possibly because of being undersized or struggling in school, to high school kids doing it primarily for football reasons. And to have Cam, who just won Mr. Football doing it, you cant seriously believe that is just like some undersized 6th grader repeating. I say embrace it! Beechwood will likely be crazy good the next few years, with all the kids they have repeating across classes. 

7 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

That was last year.

Well yeah. I believe he is the teams leading rusher in addition to being QB so far this year. My point is that he is that good and elevates the team. Just don't think they would be near the same level without him. Should be a good game regardless. 

18 minutes ago, LoudenSwain said:

This thread is completely awesome in so many ways. Thank you to so many for being who you are. You provide endless comedy throughout the week!

Beechies - 35

Colonels - 17

Accept it. Beechwood is a better team on paper this year. IMO, they would be without Hergott returning. He is no doubt a difference make but this Beechwood Senior Class is loaded. Take away a wide left FG last year and BW wins, and returns much more than CovCath. Good luck to both teams Friday. Some great kids on both sidelines. Ft Mitchell will be electric, and I love it for all the kids to experience after the mostly empty stands a year ago……..

Take away Cam and Beechwood is not nearly on the same level as CCH…that’s just reality. I watched them in person a couple times last year and the entire offense revolves around Cam. Your score prediction may be accurate but without Cam CCH wins comfortably.

24 minutes ago, gbballfan21 said:

There are no Beechwood parents who made any such statements. (Just like there are NO Beechwood fans who have said that the team is the best in Kentucky) Coach Rash was not part of the decision making process. How do I know? FIRST HAND knowledge. Anyone who says otherwise is lying. 

I struggle to see why Cov Cath fans are so concerned with this topic. You have families who made decisions about their kids high school education/experience ... you know ... just like how parents have made the decision to send their kids to Cov Cath. 

I will end with this ... people who live in glass houses ... I think you get my point. 

Believe what you want. That came directly from a current Beechwood football parent. I offered up that insight in relation to another comment on the large number of Beechwood players repeating a year. Which, like it or not, is a huge advantage for Beechwood's team and will continue to be so for the next few years. It is completely the perogative of the parent's to choose to take advantage of the new rule, but there should be no problem with discussing how it will impact the level of success of the team moving forward. 

7 minutes ago, gbballfan21 said:

Clueless and absolutely INCORRECT. Coach Rash did not offer any opinion. Quit spreading rumors and lies about this topic. 

I stated what I heard from a Beechwood football parent. Beechwood sure does have a huge number of football repeats. Coincidence? And I’m not saying it’s against the rules, just the football team taking advantage of the rule the state passed.