TIGER1988

This problem would be solved with a full tournament too.

SHANE BURNS (Caldwell County) = 228 of 319 (71.5% completion = #1), 3191 total yards (#2 = Zuberer 3483), 34 TD (#3 = Zuberer -46, Hall - 35), 129.4 QB rating (#2 = Hall 133.6). 3 best QB's in state (Zuberer, Hall, Burns)

Congrats to those nominated... but seems to me that there is a real discrepancy for media and nominations for awards for Louisville and going east in this state. It's a shame a kid like Ray Zuberer -Owensboro Catholic (102 Passing TD's in 2 years) didn't get nominated or even a kid like Dee Cain- Caldwell County (best "football player"- I saw play this year- including some nominated) don't get a nomination. The western part of the state (Bowling Green going west) had 3 of the 6 state champions so obviously some good football is being played. Seems like this happens all too often.

Seems to be a normal thing in sports in Kentucky. Most think the state stops at I-65. Wonder if Sindelar getting this award last year made an impact on nominations this season considering all the crying done on the other end of the state.

Pretty impressive list. Congrats to them all. There are a couple of guys that missed the list (Ray Zuberer - Owensboro Catholic and Dee Cain - Caldwell County)

7 - Apollo

5 - Grayson Co

3 - Russell Co

2 - Butler Co

1 - Caldwell Co

TB - Apollo

Caldwell will be a factor next year for sure. Burns will be the Pre-Season #1 Offensive player in the class.

 

Every top team in the West should take a step back with the exception of Caldwell. LexCath, Central, and Boyle will all be strong but all suffer significant losses. Tilghman might be able to improve if they can field something remotely resembling a line.

 

Ironically... with Corbin and Belfry returning the farm and with Russell, Bell County, and Powell County all returning significant chunks it would appear the East will take a step forward collectively. Think you will see a lot more parody in the class in the Top 10.

Caldwell too will take a pretty good hit. Losses of Cain, Anderson, Young, Logsdon, Mitchell, and others. Will be hard to replace.

Just trying to make a point. Yes, I had my hopes up, and everyone around me would tell you I was very skeptical even then. You brought up match-ups, not me. Didn't feel they could finish a run, but Caldwell did have the talent.

Everyone has off nights, even in November. Show me one team that didn't and played a quality team the week before. Some times it doesn't take an off game, maybe just a bad play, lazy throw, a little careless and boom too late.

All this stuff you keep laying out there has no sense to it. Belfry won. Came out of a soft bracket. Drummed a team in the finals. Which, by the way, was the best team they played in November by far.

Does a hail mary win at the end of the game really mean you are better than the team you beat? I do not think so. I am not saying Caldwell goes to BG if that doesn't happen, but who knows. Was Caldwell a better matchup for LexCath? I think so, but that means nothing.

WHAT YOU HAVE TO REALIZE IS THAT THESE BREATHERS, LET DOWNS, EGG LAYINGS, ETC HAPPEN TO EVERY TEAM ALL THE TIME. HECK BELFRY DID IT TWICE THIS SEASON IN BACK TO BACK GAMES.

We all agree that Belfry is/was the best 3A team out there in 2015.

I guess my biggest question TIGER is which 3A team had a "let down" or "Breathed" after multiple top tier games that was better than LexCath?

 

We can eliminate these teams from your hypothesis:

Caldwell's loss came to the lone contender they faced

Tilghman's loss came to the lone contender they faced

Boyle's loss came to the lone contender they faced

LexCath you already voted was not the best team in the West so they are eliminated

 

 

This leaves two options that played more than one Title Contender:

 

1. Central had only played one Title Contender (Boyle) before losing to LexCath.... if you can't get up for two straight playoff games are you really the best? Especially when Central slept walked through Round 1 against Western Hills.

 

2. The only one that truly fits your criteria would be Etown. The Panthers blew out Tilghman then won a great game against Caldwell before getting beat easily by LexCath.

 

Which team deserved to be called better than LexCath that LexCath beat? Is it Central who took a breather after only playing one legitimate Title Threat... and in doing so let up playing at home?

 

Or is it Etown who LexCath beat by 3 TD's?

 

I can subscribe to the theory that Central probably should have beat LexCath and thus could have been the better team... but I would come to that conclusion solely from the fact Central left points off the board and LexCath needed a blocked FG to win. I can't buy that the reason they lost is because they chose not to bring their A Game because they had already played one great team the week before and couldn't get up for two straight weeks. Especially considering the fact this was essentially the same Central team who in 2014 "got up" for back to back weeks to upset Corbin and South Warren. That Corbin game was about as emotional as a game as you can find to rebound from to play the #1 SW team.

Lets see here. Bear with me ATLCat, E'town lost to LexCath after what may have been the best game of the year. So there is one team. Central lost to LexCath after getting by Boyle County. So that makes two. LexCath lost to Belfry after fighting through both Central and E'town. That is THREE. Belfry lost to Midland (where they played like crap) after taking on Knoxville, and then narrowly ESCAPED Lawrence County (another game they played like crap). So if you want to count Belfry twice that would be 5, if not at least 4.

Shane Burns - QB.

Javonte Riley - RB

Zach Gaither - WR

Trel Riley - WR, RB

Cole Baker - DE

Hunter Vanhooser - MLB

Garrick Lamb - T, DT

Zavion Henderson - LB, FB

These are the return players for Caldwell. Not all, but most notable.

LexCath doesn't lose to Lawrence at all from what I saw. Matchups! Though Lawrence played Belfry closer they do not match up well with the Knights. I would take LexCath fairly big. Lawrence would not matchup at all with LexCath's speed and Offensive firepower.

 

Lawrence would not have matched up with Central or Boyle either. They would matchup very well with Etown who did not have a ton of depth or size on Defense, and would have been in a shootout with Caldwell...but I would like Caldwell by a score or two.

 

 

 

 

I dont see Belfry's 2 game stretch the same as you. Cabell Midland just wore Belfry out. End of story. One part was Belfry turned it over 5 times... the bigger part was the fact that every advantage Belfry had over every team they played in 2015.. was completely nullified against CM. CM was the only team as big, as deep, as strong, and as talented as Belfry in every position group.

 

Lawrence County was less the product of "breathing" and more the product of simply not protecting the football and some hangover form getting their teeth kicked in. Seven lost turnovers was the reason that game was close. Nothing more, nothing less. Generally speaking BAD football.

 

I never said Belfry had a tough path...in fact I specifically said in the example I made that it would not a fair comparison if I did infer that even though Lawrence and Corbin were more competitive against Belfry than LexCath. Heck Tusi and I have agreed with you all year they didn't have it as tough as teams in Region 2. HAHA

 

I do think there is some substance to teams having a bit of an emotional letdown after back to back tough games as you let on... but if there is one game you should never see laying an egg it is the State Finals.

Call it "breathing", "emotional letdown", "hangover", "laying an egg", or whatever. The end result is the same. i thought LexCath benefited from whatever term you want to use when they played Central and when they played E'town. Conversely, they suffered the same thing against Belfry.

You have to call them the best team since they won the games and proved it come November though.

 

Anything else is hypotethical.

 

Considering Belfry beat the West representative LexCath 43-0 and had a running clock in the 2nd Quarter I could assume that Belfry had a tougher road in the East since both Corbin and Lawrence County played them tougher... but that wouldn't be a fair comparison.

 

At the end of the day:

-LexCath beat the top three teams in the West on the Road

-Belfry demolished everything in their path including LexCath

- The transitive property doesnt apply to football, so it doesn't mean Belfry would also destroy every team LexCath beat

- Belfry's Front 7 and OLine would have been a mismatch for everyone in 3A and was the primary reason they have won 3 straight titles, the two teams best equipped to matchup happened to be Lawrence County and Corbin.

- This doesn't mean Lawrence County and Corbin would have beat any or everyone in the West

- Would Belfry have lost coming out of the West? Highly Doubtful... but then again Bowling Green lost to Graves County last year so stranger things have happened.

By your logic, LexCath loses to Lawrence County by 3 or is it 40. This whole thread is hypothetical. I think that is the point. I guess that NCC in 2A was better than any team in the west of 2A less Mayfield? I call bull. What you completely fail to see is that teams that play quality competition in consecutive weeks get worn down, and have to "breathe" somewhere. Look at Belfry's schedule (you act like you don't know it), Knoxville (9-25-15) a 38-14 win, then the next week Midland (10-2-15) a 49-7 loss in a horribly played game by Belfry, then the third week Lawrence Co (10-9-15) a 27-23 squeaker where Belfry trailed at the half, only to later throttle this same team 52-12 (can you say running clock). This shows me that after two tough matchups Belfry "breathed" against Lawrence Co the first time. I know you hate to think that anything other than Belfry being the most dominating thing since sliced bread is impossible, but that just simply isn't the case. If the teams on their side of the bracket was as tough as those on the west side, somewhere along the line Belfry would have had to "breathe" again. Does this mean they lose, definitely not. Hypothetically possible, YES. Fact is that Belfry had a cake walk to the title game, and no matter who came out of the west was going to fight tooth and nail to get there. I agree Belfry was the better team, and have said so a thousand times. But, turn the tables, and you see a much better title game in 3A just like you did in 2A.

I think they were the best team in the West... they earned and proved it by beating Etown and Central on the road in the playoffs and Boyle on the road in the Regular Season. With that said, they were not the best MATCHUP for Belfry.

 

Could Central beat LexCath if they played again? Could Boyle beat them? Absolutely. With that said, we can't go off some hypothetical when LexCath beat them when they lined it up on the field.

You have a point in that LexCath won games on the field. BUT, winning a game does not necessarily make you the BETTER team. Several games every year are won by teams that were not the better of the two teams playing. Heck, I am not positive Belfry is in the title game playing out of the west.

Let's make no mistake about it. Belfry proved to be the best team in 3A in 2015. It appears they may very well be just as good, if not better, next season. I do not think any team out of the west makes a better showing in the championship game than what LexCath did, although I do not feel they were the best team in the west. Kudos to them for a coming out of a loaded bracket.

@Watusi. I feel that Central was the best team in the west. Their letdown cost them a title game appearance. Wouldn't it have been sweet to see a final 8 with Belfry, Central, LexCath, E'town,Caldwell, Boyle, PT, and Lawrence. What a playoff!!!! Opportunities to see that many good teams face off in one class are few and far between with a 6 class system.

@Watusi. Here it goes. I know I am opening myself up for bashing, but that hasn't stopped me yet. Lol. I thought that even though Belfry slammed LexCath in BG, won their way convincingly to the title, and looked totally dominating doing so that an easy path to the title game worked in their benefit in a huge way. The west was totally loaded, no doubt about it. I felt all of these teams suffered from let downs off their previous games. A problem Belfry didn't have to face. I thought Central showed it first, after a big game with Boyle Co, the looked lethargic against LexCath in their next match up. E'town was next, after the hail Mary win at Caldwell, they were sleepwalking in the semis. LexCath suffered some of the same in the title game. A bad match up for them in Belfry did nothing but enhance that. BELFRY IS A VERY DESERVING CHAMPION AND PROVED TO BE THE BETTER TEAM IN BG. I believe that if you look back at their season schedule you will see they too suffered through this during their tough stretch of games in late September -early October. Win over Knoxville, loss to Midland, and narrowly escaping Lawrence Co who they later blew out.

I thought Mayfield suffered the same problem against NCC, after a battle with DeSales, they too were flat in the title game. I don't think many would disagree that DeSales was a much better team than NCC.

LET THE BASHING BEGIN.

How about this then. Since all you eastern folks want EKU to host, let's add Murray State to the list and make it 3 locations. 2 can host the semis every year and the third can host the state title games.

You're right, and obviously you are taking what I said as literally as possible. Maybe genius was the wrong choice of words, maybe I didn't mean it as literal as you think. I was just implying that he's good at making money, economic genius I guess was wrong choice of words so I apologize. I can always count on you to call me out for wrong word choice.

 

As for the bolded part I agree, and this is one of the main reasons I do not get on the Trump bandwagon. If middle America or impoverished people think Trump is going to do anything to help them they are sadly mistaken. How the poor has flocked to him I will never know, as you say he stands for everything they are against. He is as un relatable as it gets for most Americans. Definitely not the "common man" as he is trying to sale.

I agree that Trump definitely is not a "self-made man", and him being an economic genius is a little far-fetched. BUT (you knew it was coming), he is the ONLY guy in there relating to the American people, and it isn't just the poor whites. After all the wigwam wash that has been put out there, Trump keeps gaining in the polls. At the end of the day, the guy says what most want to hear. "It is about the economy, dummy" (not trying to offend anyone, just I quote I have heard for ages). The American people want the person that is going to or promises to put more money in their pocket. Heck isn't that how Obama got elected (TWICE by the way). Trump says bring back all the jobs lost to other countries (NAFTA - both parties played a role in this) and employ Americans. Shut down the borders (all Americans agree something has to be done here; even Obama has signed legislation that limits those coming from Europe that are questionable). Protect American citizens (his reasoning for stopping Muslims for coming into the country and more and more people are getting on that bandwagon now). The Lying Liberal Socialist Loving Lame Stream Media continue to attack this guy, and he seemingly he keeps getting stronger. Most Americans, regardless of race or political affiliation are sick of the same old rhetoric between the two parties and are ready for a real change, unlike the one promised 8 years ago.

It is great to see Shane Burns get some recognition for his play this season. He was nothing short of amazing.

That is not what I said. Whether you have 50 guns or not you are more likely to be shot the more guns there are. Just common sense.

This will throw your common sense out the window. You are trying to say that banning guns would decrease the number of people shot. This is obviously true. However, the point is that the attempt is to stop gun violence. Meaning harm done to others via a gun. These numbers show drastically different statistics. The areas where gun violence is more abundant are areas with stricter gun laws (typically). Would banning sewing machines keep people from getting stabbed by a needle while sewing, sure it would. Your reasoning is absurd.

The McCarran Act only applies to citizens of countries.

Might want to do some reading. You are mistaken.

Serious question.

 

Was Jimmy Carter's action directed toward a specific religion?

The answer is YES. According to census numbers 99.4% of Iranians are Muslim.

The next answer is YES. It wasn't just an action it was several actions.

The last answer is YES. Democrats do not want to talk about that because the Lame Stream Lying Socialist Media won't talk about it either.

Wouldn't matter to Trump. You'd be gone, just like the rest of those who shared your beliefs.

I have to disagree here. That has not been said by Trump or anyone else. You guys need to bone up on some history.

Let's also not forget Trump has, in addition to discussing banning immigration of Muslims (which is NOT what Carter did), discussed forcing Muslims to register with the government and to carry ID cards noting their religion.

 

These are not the foot-in-mouth soundbites of a politician speaking extemporaneously. These are deliberate provocations and they appear to be quite popular and evoke considerable passion. This is chilling.

You are somewhat correct. Carter didn't ban Muslims, he banned Iranians. He also forced those already in the US to report to immigration centers within a certain amount of time (I believe it was 30 days), DEPORTED those that had any questionable record or invalid visas (approximately 15,000), and put restrictions on those lucky enough to remain in the US.

Better hope, then, that your religion isn't the one being targeted at some point in time.:thumb:

If it is my religion, I will be the FIRST pointing them out. Not standing idly by and letting them put the fear of God (allah in this case) into everyone else.