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If you're fired as a coach, then that does not mean that you don't go to school the next day. He is still an employee until the end of the district fiscal year. They could techinically require him to have spring weightlifting or June scrimmages.

As a former resident/student in my younger years of Bracken Co, the later part of this thread has certainly been interesting. So, allow me to chime in.

 

For starters, Bracken played an early middle school season even as far back as the 70s when I lived there and my folks were working in the school system...so its hard to blame their problems on just that.

 

Its all about the feeder programs when you are talking about a Class A school like BC. It has to be organized, instructional, yet competitive. You have to have a community involved, and not involved as griping parents or critical anoymous internet message board posters. They have to be involved by donating time, supporting the kids' schedules, and having talented coaches in the system. And, by that, I am not talking about the high school head coaches. I am talking about parents, people in the community who have an athletic background. Is this happening presently in Bracken County? There used to be. Based on BGP, though, I believe the griping parents/anonymous message board poster thing is very prevelant in Bracken.

 

Junior high w/l records are useless when trying to project at the varsity level....and that goes for coaches, too. I've saw a middle school team in another district go undefeated, and then win only 10 games when that same group were seniors in HS. How many 8th grade starters on that undefeated team ended up starting for their same respective varsity team four years later? Try ONE. How many of those starters were even on that varsity team? That same ONE. Also, I was a part of a 8th grade middle school team that went 3-15 (I was a seventh grader), and when those 8th graders played varsity ball as seniors, they were like 17-10 and went to their regional tournament. Why was one somewhat successful, and the other wasnt? Because the first example played kids who were never going to be eligible in HS, they had been held back/failed a grade in elementary school, so they were more mature than their opponents in middle school. By the time they were in HS, they were no longer bigger or more mature physically. Most of the kids got discouraged and quit the sport. As for the school that went from 3-15 to a regional tourney berth, those kids played year round. The community was more close knit when it came to their athletic programs, they stayed the course, they played kids who they knew were going to be around as seniors. Plus, a couple of kids in my class were talented enough to help out, and you had a nice little team.

 

Someone brought up an intersting point earlier about kids not getting experience during the middle school years. BCHS had pretty competitive teams most years in the 70s, and in the 80s. In fact, if they had the All A Classic in those days, Bracken would have battled the Maysvilles/Parises/etc for the All A crown most seasons. Sure, they had some rough years, but schools with 3-400 kids are going to experience that. Now, they struggle. I dont know what the current setup is (other than you all talking about the BCMS team playing in this Ohio River Conference), but back in those days, the middle school feeder programs were at the respective elementary schools in Brooksville (Taylor), Western Hills, and Germantown. They mostly coached by native Bracken Countians, former BCHS players who came back to teach. The current superintendent was one. By the time they reached their freshman year, they had 15-20 kids who had extensive playing time at the middle school level, and at a decently high level (they played teams from Maysville/Mason/Pendleton/etc). How many kids reach their freshman year at BCHS playing a lot the previous two years in middle school? I take it there arent many since there is only one school. Is there an AAU program in Bracken Co? Do they play year around? I think those are the questions that need to be addressed rather than the tired old "the admin sucks, the AD doesnt know what she is doing, blah blah blah". That may be why the coaches dont stick around, they know that they are not going to have many varsity ready players coming up through the system.

I will never read a post that long again! :confused::confused:

Anything happening this week.

Is it finally official.

Give it a few weeks. It'll flare up again.

Don't quite understand how you can say that. If you look at the teams he has actually been successful with you will find that they were all coached by other coaches for 2 or 3 years prior to him coaching them. If you ask most of the kids he has coached you will probably find very few who can say they learned anything from him.

While we all love kids and hope that they do well. Let us call a spade a spade. We cannot give players all the credibility when they are talking about their own development or their coaches abilities. Players really are incapapble of that level of perception. You can find two players from the same team whom have two different opinions. Please do not assume that the players know what they are talking about just because it is their coach or their teacher.

SF 8,000 is the maximum anybody in this state is making I would venture to guess as a stipend for coaching. Now I have nto seen all salary schedules in the state but those that I know only one is on a percentage......the rest are on straight amounts.

I know from personal experience that there are coaches that make more then 12,000 a year. Some schools pay 20,000 a year. I am not speculating, I know for sure. I would be happy to tell you personally if you desire more info.

Has anyone else noticed that this job has not been posted anywhere?

How can a lack of a head coach help the program?

Directly from BHS' Board Meeting in Aug. of 2008

"The Board acknowledged the Superintendent’s appointments and acceptance of resignations of personnel for the month of August 2008.

a. Appointments: William Skuban – Golf Coach Bellevue High

Tommy Sorrell – Head Girls’ Basketball Coach Bellevue High

Mike Herald – Head Boys’ Basketball Coach Bellevue High

Nick Wilson – Assistant Varsity Boys’ Basketball Coach Bellevue High"

I was nosing around the bellevue page a looked at the SBDM Minutes. The freshman coach was named Caleb Finch and he resigned.

Why am I so sure that Nick was the JV Coach? Was he supposed to be and then was not?

Also speaking with students and school administrators I have a real good idea how his classroom runs..........

That may have been a little below the belt.

Where have you seen him in action? I also know the guy and he has never coached basketball:confused:

I thought he was the JV coach last year. But your quote simply confirms the idea that he would not be a good choice. According to you, he has never coached basketball before.

Are there any varsity coaches that also are a varsity coach of another sport?

Are we assuming that Wilson is interested? I think it would be almost impossible to be a varsity bball coach and a football coach as well.

Matt Ford from Villa?

Was he in the running last year?

What can Bellevue do in order to get someone that will stay for awhile? What type of man do they have to hire?

Has Wolfzorn landed anywhere else? Where are all of these former coaches now?

Can anyone give an actual reason as to why there has been such turnover in the district?

The old football coach was pressured out. Two football coaches ago moved to ohio. The old boys basketball coach became a principal. The two previous baseball coaches left for education reasons. Unless you're referring to track or volleyball?

I think it's the cities accusations and assumptions that have led to this talk and not Stamm. The city thinks he is going to move on when the talent level will drop like a few other Ludlow coaches in other sports there have. .

To whom are you referring?

Troy Lee was an assistant for Lake Kelly during the late 90's. He went on to coach girls at Rowan County and now he is is Green County, I believe. He is just what the FC program needs, someone to bring excitement back to basketball. I hope Fleming administration steps up and makes the right move. These kids have had to put up with nonsense for the last 3 years. I, for one, would love to see Coach Troy Lee Thomas back on the sidelines in that bright yellow jacket he used to wear.

This is so strange. Apparently this guy has been around awhile and I've never heard of him. O'h well, apparently he is held in high regard.

That's weird. All of the other names thrown out I have recognized. Who the heck is Troy Thomas?

Have they picked a coach yet?

Are the tigers going to have some stability? Has Coach Herald made it clear that he is there for the long haul?

Ive heard Lake Kellys son may be interested.

Have there been any interviews yet?