I saw the same thing. When was the last time a public school didn't win KOTBG? Also, whats the deal with John Hardin? This school didn't exist five years ago and now they have a powerhouse football program and seem to be pretty good in basketball as well. Maybe some of the folks that say it can't be done should look to JH to see how it is being done.

 

 

What is the world coming to?????...I had the exact same thought as LSU!! :scared: :scared:

 

 

 

Kidding with ya L-Rock :thumb:

I saw the same thing. When was the last time a public school didn't win KOTBG? Also, whats the deal with John Hardin? This school didn't exist five years ago and now they have a powerhouse football program and seem to be pretty good in basketball as well. Maybe some of the folks that say it can't be done should look to JH to see how it is being done.

 

They have to be cheating.

They have to be cheating.

 

 

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Afterall it's the only way LexCath has achieved the success they have in such a short period of time

H, I understand your point. But I think there are some additional observations to be made. I think the larger schools are doing pretty well in bball. 50% of the championships of the 12 yrs you listed were won by "4A teams" and its 60% of the last 10 years. Mason and Lex Cath surely aren't small schools, in fact they are pretty large schools that have placed a huge emphasis on basketball. If they are consider a large school, which I think they are, then large schools have won 80% of the championships the last 10 years. The last truly small school to win was Paintsville. Does some one care to refresh my recollection in re the composition of that team?

 

And even the small schools that play basketball have admitted by their actions (and by the words of some) that they know they cannot really compete for the bball championship (except in extremely very rare circumstances). The All A Tournament is an outright acknowledgment that size does matter, as they say.

 

We can debate this forever and ever without being able to prove anything. Does size of school matter more in football than in bball? yeah, I'll admit it probably does some. But size of school does matter, more than some people are willing to admit, in bball. And again, if two schools are equally well coached, have players equally committed to winning and one school can take the best 5 of 1300 basketball players and the other takes the best 5 of 200, its hard to argue that a large majority of the times the team from the smaller school will win over the larger school.

 

At the end of the day, I believe that if you look at the recent basketball champions' programs, you are going to find a tradition of success and committment to basketball that is directly responsible for their success (and if you privately asked supporters of those programs, you just might get them to tell you that that their school either does not place the same priority on winning in football, or if they do, its a priority that's only been in place for the last several years. In fact as I review that your list, are there any football powerhouses there?)

 

The Paintsville team that you were asking about was a college size team and probably the biggest overall team that this state has seen in the last 20 years. They had a 6'10" center in Craig Ratliff which went on to play minor league baseball for the Orioles as a pitcher. The had a 6'10" forward in JR VanHoose that went on to play college basketball at Marshall but was recruited by big schools including Indiana. The other forward was about 6'6" and i think i was Kyle Meade if not mistaken. The two guard were Mckenzie which was about 6'2" and Todd Tackett which was about 6'3" and went onto play college basketball for UK. That team was a very rare team and what made it even rarer was the size of the school but Paintsville has always been a basketball focused school.

OK we are up to 381 reads and still everyone seems to be agreeing here.....X and T...2 traditional football powers do not have great basketball programs because they are not basketball focused schools, they do not have the same community support, the same student support, ...etc....

 

So the conclusion is......There is no need for Prop 20! If the publics focus on football like they do in basketball....they can solve their own problems without blaming the privates or watering down a championship....and what's good for the goose........X and T can start applying what they do in football if they want to become better in basketball!

 

Seems like we all could work harder!...just in different sports.