The Story is not false. SPIN it all you like. He is back pedalling.

I'm to the point I trust NO politician, NO pundit, NO media source simply at face value. Sad but true.

 

My observation of Paul with Maddow was akin to watching a chess player lured into a checkers match. Paul was attempting to have an intellectual discussion with someone stuck on trying to entrap him in the most condemning manner possible. When you (Maddow) bring a knife to a gun fight, you'd better pick the right time to use it. Maddow did and the spin began.

 

Paul will wise up to the fact that no media pundit is safe and he will need to better present his words.

 

The screaming of racism at every turn is getting old. That is a very serious charge similar to a woman accusing a man of rape. When it happens, it needs to be dealt with swiftly and severely. When it is used everytime someone finds themself in a tight sport they cannot get out of otherwise, it cheapens the accusation to the point of truly harming those legitimately offended.

I'm to the point I trust NO politician, NO pundit, NO media source simply at face value. Sad but true.

 

My observation of Paul with Maddow was akin to watching a chess player lured into a checkers match. Paul was attempting to have an intellectual discussion with someone stuck on trying to entrap him in the most condemning manner possible. When you (Maddow) bring a knife to a gun fight, you'd better pick the right time to use it. Maddow did and the spin began.

 

Paul will wise up to the fact that no media pundit is safe and he will need to better present his words.

 

The screaming of racism at every turn is getting old. That is a very serious charge similar to a woman accusing a man of rape. When it happens, it needs to be dealt with swiftly and severely. When it is used everytime someone finds themself in a tight sport they cannot get out of otherwise, it cheapens the accusation to the point of truly harming those legitimately offended.

 

This post is not about racism, IT IS YOU THAT IT BRINGING it up. It is about a rediculous stance that if taken would have perpetuated Racism. I don't believe Ayn is a racist but I think Libertarian beliefs that he espouses leads to some stances that are not supportable in the real world.

I'm to the point I trust NO politician, NO pundit, NO media source simply at face value. Sad but true.

 

My observation of Paul with Maddow was akin to watching a chess player lured into a checkers match. Paul was attempting to have an intellectual discussion with someone stuck on trying to entrap him in the most condemning manner possible. When you (Maddow) bring a knife to a gun fight, you'd better pick the right time to use it. Maddow did and the spin began.

 

Paul will wise up to the fact that no media pundit is safe and he will need to better present his words.

 

The screaming of racism at every turn is getting old. That is a very serious charge similar to a woman accusing a man of rape. When it happens, it needs to be dealt with swiftly and severely. When it is used everytime someone finds themself in a tight sport they cannot get out of otherwise, it cheapens the accusation to the point of truly harming those legitimately offended.

 

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As always, you find a way to best put words to my thoughts.

 

I'm surprised Rand Paul would have expected anything different. If he hasn't wised up to that by now, he's a slow learner.

I think the article gives him some cover on the racist front, the comments certainly do not.

 

Who initially posted this comment? Someone refresh my memory.

Who initially posted this comment? Someone refresh my memory.

 

The article from Yglesias goes to pretty good length to say he does not believe Rand to be a racist. The article is about the lack of reality in adhering so rigidly to a set of beliefs. The comments posted on that website after the article are the ones who bring racism into the mix. Neither the article, nor any of my post point to Rand as a racist.

Your intent was unclear to me. By "comments" I thought you meant Paul's comments, not the comments in response to the article. My mistake. :thumb:

Your intent was unclear to me. By "comments" I thought you meant Paul's comments, not the comments in response to the article. My mistake. :thumb:

 

I should be clearer.

This post is not about racism, IT IS YOU THAT IT BRINGING it up.

You open a thread with a link to an article entitled, "Freedom as White Supremacy" your first three posts in this thread include the words "racism", "racist", "white only lunch counters" and "Jim Crow laws", and then you turn this around to assert it is me that is bringing up racism???

 

I do my best to treat your posts and opinion with some degree of respect... but you make it very difficult at times.

I should be clearer.

Kinda like Rand Paul eh?

Kinda like Rand Paul eh?

 

I think Rand Paul was perfectly clear. If I may paraphrase, I am not a racist, I would not visit a racist establishment, however, it is more important that businesses get to do what they wish than it is for the government to interfere. Regardless of whatever harm that business might be causing.

You open a thread with a link to an article entitled, "Freedom as White Supremacy" your first three posts in this thread include the words "racism", "racist", "white only lunch counters" and "Jim Crow laws", and then you turn this around to assert it is me that is bringing up racism???

 

I do my best to treat your posts and opinion with some degree of respect... but you make it very difficult at times.

That's being extremely generous.

I think Rand Paul was perfectly clear.

So you're allowed to correct and clarify your statements but Paul is not???

 

Gotcha... :thumb:

So you're allowed to correct and clarify your statements but Paul is not???

 

Gotcha... :thumb:

 

His clarification said, I would have voted for the 64 CRA. I abhor racism, but I do think the government goes too far when it restricts private business.

 

I am not attacking Ayn Rand Paul, although I am having a little fun with his name, I meant to be asking about the belief in general. All of you anti-choice folks so want the government out of business but you do want it in personal lives, I struggle with the disconnect.

All of you anti-choice folks so want the government out of business but you do want it in personal lives, I struggle with the disconnect.

By choice, I assume you refer to legalized abortion on demand as "choice". I personally struggle with the disconnect that occurs when one describes a human fetus as anything other than a living human being... or the disposal of a living human being as anything other than killing them. This is one of the great lies and evils in our culture IMO.

 

I've said it many times, I'll say it again... "I'm 100% in favor of choice... I simply believe it should occur prior to conception not after."

 

The valuing of human life based upon its perceived benefits or convenience and the destroying of those deemed less fit or merely inconvenient, has done more to destroy the core of what made our culture great for generations. We were much different when every human life was precious than we are today.

 

I certainly don't believe its the government's role to fund abortions as part of taxpayer funded healthcare. This would be akin forcing me to fund Sobibor, Treblinka, or Auschwitz-Birkenau.

All of you anti-choice folks so want the government out of business but you do want it in personal lives, I struggle with the disconnect.

To follow up on my previous post... I personally don't want government to be any larger or more intrusive than it absolutely has to be... whether in our personal lives, businesses, churches, or whatever. There are a (very) few things government does well, and it should stick to them. All the other stuff is merely a method for politicians to dole out favors and cling to power and position for selfish gain. The socialistic power grab that would allow winners and losers to be chosen from DC rather than by a healthy free-market is antithetical to everything the founders (and what used to be "commom sense") would accept... but I digress.

 

It all clearly depends upon one's point-of-view, but I cannot imagine anything more "personal" than what was for millennia the safest most secure environment for a developing human being than a mother's womb. For our government to approve and enable the intrusion into this safe "personal space" for the purpose of killing the inhabitant(s) is perhaps he most offensive manner in which the government can be involved "in personal lives." Of course, to accept this as a personal offense, one must first accept that the "mass of tissue" growing in a mother's womb is in fact a human being... a developing person with unique traits, talents and potential... and not merely a tumor or some other undesirable growth.

 

The apparent lack of potential consequences for such activities has IMO led to less respect from some men toward women. The ability to essentially use another person for one's own pleasure without concern for the potential outcome of a child and responsibilities has led our culture down a slippery slope of selfishness and disrespect. The cheapening of what once was sacred, precious and highly valued to nothing more than a subjective convenience has done as much harm to our culture as any other societal malignancy I know of.

 

In every study I've ever read, less than 2% of all abortions are the result of rape or incest. Less than 6% have anything at all to do with protecting the health of the mother-to-be. The vast majority, though attributed to numerous reasons/excuses are for little more than convenience. In most cases, the mother had multiple layers/opportunities of "consent" in the activities/decisions that led to a fetus occuring in her womb. To put it bluntly, she had many opportunities to "choose" yes or no.

 

I am only aware of one event in recorded history in which a virgin birth occurred... and even in this wonderous moment, the mother-to-be was given the opportunity to consent prior to being found "with child."

 

Regardless of which side one may take on this issue... the fact that our culture has bought into the lie that abortion... the willful killing of a developing human... is a woman's right to "choose" has led us to a place I certainly don't want to be.

 

I will confess that it has been a long time since I have been actively involved in directly combatting this heinous practice and the lingering damage it produces in the lives affected. At the very least however; I can "choose" to vote for individuals committed to limiting its practice in my state and nation.