threetimelover Posted August 20, 2009 Posted August 20, 2009 What does Notre Dame need to do to improve in 2009/2010? What do they need to keep doing to be successful? Remember, please be constructive.
paNDA Posted August 20, 2009 Posted August 20, 2009 Having watched Girls HS basketball over the last 4-5 years I have seen the best teams playing together year round. The Assumption team wore tee shirts that said "what off season!" You see it in Volleyball, and soccer but at NDA a there is real lack of commitment to off season basketball. The year NDA went to the quarterfinals of state they played a very aggressive off season schedule together. This was extremely beneficial. I understand NDA had two really talented big girls but this additional time they spent over the summer, working together, made them formidable. Coaches, even though they cannot participate in off season must support it and promote it but players must be willing to devote that summertime to the game. That is in my humble opinion what separates the good from the great HS teams. Same is true for Volleyball and soccer and you do see the dedication at NDA in those other sports to off season development. Once you get the "progam" working at lower levels it flows into HS and in NDA's case would create a place where really highly skilled basketball athletes would want to converge and play. NDA can get players from anywhere in the area which should be a huge advantage, you see that advantage working at LCA, Mercy, Assumption but it really isn't a big advantage at NDA. Find a new coach. Focus on the feeder program development of exceptional players. Work the off season from 10 on up and put together a program that makes ball players want to go to NDA and win championships.
dixievb07 Posted August 20, 2009 Posted August 20, 2009 On the contrary, the feeder schools (Agnes, Joes, BS, and Pius) have 7th and 8th grade "A" teams that play twice as many games (50ish) as the varsity teams. They play in two leagues and a handful of tournaments, then turn around and play AAU basketball. Yet has this made a drastic improvement in NDA basketball in recent years? Maybe the kids should concentrate on their academics first and basketball second. The grade school coaches and parents have this perception that you "have to play" this many games and for these teams/coaches to play at the next level. Wrong - you can practice the game on your own, in your own driveway, and still make a high school team. If you're good enough to play, and the coach wants to win (and you need to put the parents and politics aside), then they will take the best overall players and athletes.:puke:
paNDA Posted August 20, 2009 Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) Playing 50 games a year but not combining the best of the best really doesn't help much. Off season, if organized at the younger levels with the best of the best will produce very highly motivated basketball players. I don't like it but kids are not able to play multiple sports any longer. Most of those coming from the A teams, as you call them never see the HS basketball program. VB and Soccer gobble them up. Find your basketball players and bring them up as a group and then you will have a better chance at highly competitive teams. It may not be worth the price but to me it is the answer to having a winning basketball tradition in NKY. Keep in mind too that NDA in recent history always seems to surpass the 20 win record year in and year out, too many measure success by State titles. Edited August 20, 2009 by paNDA
Clyde Posted August 20, 2009 Posted August 20, 2009 On the contrary, the feeder schools (Agnes, Joes, BS, and Pius) have 7th and 8th grade "A" teams that play twice as many games (50ish) as the varsity teams. They play in two leagues and a handful of tournaments, then turn around and play AAU basketball. Yet has this made a drastic improvement in NDA basketball in recent years? Maybe the kids should concentrate on their academics first and basketball second. The grade school coaches and parents have this perception that you "have to play" this many games and for these teams/coaches to play at the next level. Wrong - you can practice the game on your own, in your own driveway, and still make a high school team. If you're good enough to play, and the coach wants to win (and you need to put the parents and politics aside), then they will take the best overall players and athletes.:puke: I agree that its not the # of games you play. Its more about the quality of play. However, I don't think you can charge that parents who advocate playing 50 games are not putting academics first. That's a dangerous leap.
paNDA Posted August 20, 2009 Posted August 20, 2009 I agree that its not the # of games you play. Its more about the quality of play. However, I don't think you can charge that parents who advocate playing 50 games are not putting academics first. That's a dangerous leap. One of the most impressive things about NDA to me has always been the academic achievements of the athletes on their teams. Very remarkable young ladies in both the classroom and on the fields of competition. I am obviously biased but the GPA's speak for themselves. No slouching on academics at NDA for sure.
BombSquad Posted August 20, 2009 Posted August 20, 2009 Keep in mind too that NDA in recent history always seems to surpass the 20 win record year in and year out, too many measure success by State titles. Let's take a look at last year's 20 win season. NDA won 20 and lost 12. Of the 12 losses, 8 were to teams outside of Northern Kentucky. (Lost to NCC, Ryle, and two times to Highlands) I do give NDA credit for creating a challenging schedule with 16 games against top notch teams from around the state. I think that's the right thing to do IF you want to be competitive at tournament time. However, I think it's interesting to note that NDA only won 8 of the 16 games against teams outside of Northern Kentucky. On the other hand, NDA won 12 and lost 4 against teams from Northern Kentucky. It seems that the NDA staff realized that it's not good enough to stay home and beat up on teams from Northern Kentucky. And, they didn't "Cherry Pick" games to pad their schedule. I think they have the right idea.... and I think it's part of what sets them apart from many other teams in Northern Kentucky.
dixievb07 Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 NDA does put academics first, no doubt about that and their success in the classroom and with scholarships speaks for itself. "I don't like it but kids are not able to play multiple sports any longer." - paNDA I totally disagree. The good athletes can play 3 sports and still excel up until Varsity, then that's when they need to pick. They don't need to pick in grade school and junior high for sure. Society and the local high school programs, along with parents, are driving and accepting this as normal. Just like we has a society have developed an "everyone wins" philosophy in the grade school and junior high. We need to get back to letting the kids play multiple sports, if they want to, and learn some disappointment along the way so they are prepared in life. You should have seen the neighborhood high school kid who didn't get hired during his first job interview. He didn't know how to handle it, that somebody actually was chosen in front of him. By playing multiple sports, you don't put all your eggs in one basket and you give yourself options in case of a specific injury, politics, etc.
dennis12b Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) I think playing year round is the wrong thing to do, the state will tell you that girls playing one sport year round is bad for them, because they don't use any different muscles, and that will cause them more injuries and burn out they need to play other sports so they use other muscles. Edited August 21, 2009 by threetimelover
nkyvbfan Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 Agree with dixievb07, but it can still be done through high school. Some athletes are still able to play multiple sports. I won't mention names, but there is senior from Campbell County High School, 2 juniors from St. Henry, and a sophomore from Notre Dame (just to name a few) that will all be 4 year Varsity starters at multiple sports. I am sure there is a bunch on the boys side as well.
nkyvbfan Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 I also agree with Panda. It would be very difficult to win a State championship in any sport unless your players play year-around. Most of the schools outside of this area are much more focused on basketball than other sports. Volleyball is strong in NKY and Louisville only. Soccer is primarily strong in NKY, Louisville and Lexington only. Basketball is strong state wide. Notre Dame (and other NKY schools) would need to focus on basketball more than these other sports. That is not happening now. Has a NKY girl's team ever won a State championship in basketball??
C6H0-83 Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 The biggest thing you can do with a program to get the kids out and keep them out is to keep it fun. Most of the best basketball players at NDA and most of the other NKY schools are multiple sport athletes, and if you force them to chose, usually in NKY Basketball will lose. The kids need to understand that they are going to work hard, but at the same time hopefully have fun doing this. From my experience, if I would have made girls chose between Volleyball and Basketball I would have lost over half my team, and several of these girls did get D1 Volleyball scholarships. IMO if they would have played basketball only, very few would have gotten any looks for basketball scholarships. Fact of the matter is girls basketball is not all consuming in NKY like it is in other parts of the state. That is why you see NKY teams competing for state titles year in and year out in Soccer, Volleyball, Track, Cross Country, Tennis, Swimming, etc. but not basketball. In other parts of the state basketball is the only, or 1 of 2 girls sports offered at the high school level.
RiverDog Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 Hows the new coach working out? Who is her assistants?
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