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Or as Jim Shue has said about the Republicans, are they just trying to pull one over on the conservative voters?

 

http://blog.beliefnet.com/godspolitics/2008/07/prolife-democrats-call-for-an.html

IF the Democrats are going to make any dent in the support that Evangelicals now provide for the Republicans, they had better address the abortion issue and do what is necessary to show that while their party might still remain pro-choice, it has become a party committed to making abortions rare.

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I consider myself to be a pro life democrat. I have no problem with making abortions rare.

 

It is the first time I have heard a serious efffort to get the national platform to address the issue that abortions need to be addressed and a plan to reduce and eventually eliminate them ON the Democrat side.

 

I agree that the reasons for has to be attack but would add that overturning Roe v Wade should be part of that too.

 

This gives me reason to be excited about what the Democrats could be offering Democrats like me once again.

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I would only hope and pray that the "Real" Democrats (that some are now labeling conservative dems) would cast out and take over the liberal/socialist party that are now calling themselves democrats and reclaim the values that the party once stood for.

(and if anyone has to ask what a real Democrat is then you may very well fall into the other group that are calling themselves democrats and you wouldn't understand, listen or both)

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It is the first time I have heard a serious efffort to get the national platform to address the issue that abortions need to be addressed and a plan to reduce and eventually eliminate them ON the Democrat side.

 

I agree that the reasons for has to be attack but would add that overturning Roe v Wade should be part of that too.

 

This gives me reason to be excited about what the Democrats could be offering Democrats like me once again.

 

I would wait for more proof before that, but it would be encouraging to see the looneys drowned out in much the same way they have drowned out reasonable Dems for some time now.

 

Pleasure meeting you today, BTW.

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I would wait for more proof before that, but it would be encouraging to see the looneys drowned out in much the same way they have drowned out reasonable Dems for some time now.

 

Pleasure meeting you today, BTW.

 

Wish we would have had more time to sit and talk. Thanks for the tickets, kids had a great time.

 

I think reasonable Democrats are ready to swarm back to the Dems and away from the Republicans BUT still see the looneys drowning the party.

 

This would be a good first step.

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If it's the first time you've heard the sentiment that abortions are a bad thing from Democrats, you haven't been paying attention. Clinton said that abortions should be "safe, legal, and rare."

 

Now, if you mean that you think that outlawing abortion should be part of the platform, you're way out of line to frame it as an issue that the far left side has hijacked Democrats on. Not only are most Democrats for legal abortions in most cases, so are the majority of Americans.

 

You have a different opinion, and that's fine, but don't go acting like someone up and stole your party on this issue.

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If it's the first time you've heard the sentiment that abortions are a bad thing from Democrats, you haven't been paying attention. Clinton said that abortions should be "safe, legal, and rare."

 

Now, if you mean that you think that outlawing abortion should be part of the platform, you're way out of line to frame it as an issue that the far left side has hijacked Democrats on. Not only are most Democrats for legal abortions in most cases, so are the majority of Americans.

 

You have a different opinion, and that's fine, but don't go acting like someone up and stole your party on this issue.

 

No, they stole my country who gets outraged by genocide happening in other countries but feel killing unborn children is acceptable in this country and should be protected.

 

Interesting reading "The 9" that the justices who came down on abortion rights in Roe v Wade were more about wanting to protect the DOCTOR'S rights rather than the woman's rights. And yet that is the mantle that is held onto in this country.

 

According to the 9, the SC justices of Roe v. Wade infamy were concerned about the doctor's rights and not the women's rights.

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No, they stole my country who gets outraged by genocide happening in other countries but feel killing unborn children is acceptable in this country and should be protected.
While that may be your opinion, we have different views on this issue--and it's hardly unrepresentative of the party that the Democratic platform conforms to mine and not yours.

 

I've got more bad news for you on this topic- the younger people are, the more likely they are to agree with me (and the Democratic party) on this issue, just like they're more likely to support full family rights for homosexuals and side with the Democrats on virtually every other culture war issue.

 

Interesting reading "The 9" that the justices who came down on abortion rights in Roe v Wade were more about wanting to protect the DOCTOR'S rights rather than the woman's rights. And yet that is the mantle that is held onto in this country.

 

According to the 9, the SC justices of Roe v. Wade infamy were concerned about the doctor's rights and not the women's rights.

Not the first (or the last) time that decisions have been made for one reason but agreed with by the public for another.
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While that may be your opinion, we have different views on this issue--and it's hardly unrepresentative of the party that the Democratic platform conforms to mine and not yours.

 

I've got more bad news for you on this topic- the younger people are, the more likely they are to agree with me (and the Democratic party) on this issue, just like they're more likely to support full family rights for homosexuals and side with the Democrats on virtually every other culture war issue.

 

Not the first (or the last) time that decisions have been made for one reason but agreed with by the public for another.

 

Actually, in the book and it has been a great, great read. O'Conner makes her decisions at least some and abortion was one by what the public wants as much as any other reason.

 

And I want to start a thread on it when I have fully read the book, but it seems at one point, abortion was going to be outlawed and Roe v. Wade overturned. And then Souter visited O'Conner's office. In the preliminary discussions the votes had indicated overturning R v. W but he helped change her mind in private discussions.

 

They held that change secret till the final vote and sprung it on Rehnquist.

 

The book indicates that R v W was extremely close to being overturned. Basically, one justice kept it from not being overturned.

 

Right President appoints the right justice and it easily can be overturned.

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I've got more bad news for you on this topic- the younger people are, the more likely they are to agree with me (and the Democratic party) on this issue, just like they're more likely to support full family rights for homosexuals and side with the Democrats on virtually every other culture war issue.

 

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I used to be young and unelightened and not really know what I was talking about either. Voted for Mondale and Dukakis and then began to understand which side I was taking a stand with. The wrong one.

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I used to be young and unelightened and not really know what I was talking about either. Voted for Mondale and Dukakis and then began to understand which side I was taking a stand with. The wrong one.

I'm not talking about 18 year olds... this is across the board, into the 20s, 30s and 40's.

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I used to be young and unelightened and not really know what I was talking about either. Voted for Mondale and Dukakis and then began to understand which side I was taking a stand with. The wrong one.

 

You know what they say..."If you're under 40 and conservative you don't have a heart. If you're over 40 and liberal you don't have a brain." :D

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I used to be young and unelightened and not really know what I was talking about either. Voted for Mondale and Dukakis and then began to understand which side I was taking a stand with. The wrong one.

 

So because I'm young and agree with the Democratic party on some issues, does that mean I'm "unenlightened and not really know what I'm talking about"?

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