If a class system is adopted why not the six class system in place now? If the arguements for schools size etc. are valid (which I agree on) why would you not treat them as football is. 1A vs 1A, 2A vs. 2A etc.

If there is a sport that cries out for classification, it's soccer. Smaller schools don't have a chance and have not fared well at the state tournament level.

 

The track arguement doesn't hold water because Bardstown has won four straight Class A titles. Track titles are won with depth in the field and running events.

 

Football puts 11 people on the field. Football is classed. Baseball and softball put 9 on the field. It's not classed. The same with soccer.

 

Class them all or don't class any.

 

 

I thought I said that you had to have a large track team to be competitive. That's why even Bardstown would have difficulty competing against 3A schools with more athletes and depth. Even if an A team had 5 or 6 highly talented athletes, they could have difficulty competing.

 

Likewise, you need many more than 11 players to be competitive in football. Only 11 play at a time but that doesn't mean that is all the players you need. Again, if you had 5 or 6 highly talented athletes on a football team, they couldn't compete at the highest level with the larger schools where they are consistently playing 11 fresh guys on each side of the ball. (I know Highlands played up two classes and still won, but I'm thinking A vs. 6A).

 

However, if you had 5 or 6 talented players in baseball or softball, or others, you can compete with larger schools. It all depends upon the nature of the game.

If there is a sport that cries out for classification, it's soccer. Smaller schools don't have a chance and have not fared well at the state tournament level.

 

The track arguement doesn't hold water because Bardstown has won four straight Class A titles. Track titles are won with depth in the field and running events.

 

Football puts 11 people on the field. Football is classed. Baseball and softball put 9 on the field. It's not classed. The same with soccer.

 

Class them all or don't class any.

 

You must be talking about Boys Soccer, because it is absolutely not the case on the girls side...

Six classes is too many. Three would be about right.

You must be talking about Boys Soccer, because it is absolutely not the case on the girls side...

There has been one Class A team play in the girls championship game ever. LexCath in 1993. That's it. St. Henry in 1999 was the last Class A team to play in the boys championship.

There has been one Class A team play in the girls championship game ever. LexCath in 1993. That's it. St. Henry in 1999 was the last Class A team to play in the boys championship.

 

 

Cov Holy Cross has made the finals twice!!! NCC is a top ten team year in year out. As is Elizabethtown. Bishop Brossart is consistently top 15.

I thought I said that you had to have a large track team to be competitive. That's why even Bardstown would have difficulty competing against 3A schools with more athletes and depth. Even if an A team had 5 or 6 highly talented athletes, they could have difficulty competing.

 

Likewise, you need many more than 11 players to be competitive in football. Only 11 play at a time but that doesn't mean that is all the players you need. Again, if you had 5 or 6 highly talented athletes on a football team, they couldn't compete at the highest level with the larger schools where they are consistently playing 11 fresh guys on each side of the ball. (I know Highlands played up two classes and still won, but I'm thinking A vs. 6A).

 

However, if you had 5 or 6 talented players in baseball or softball, or others, you can compete with larger schools. It all depends upon the nature of the game.

It depends on the pool of players you have to choose from. There's one small school in the state baseball tournament this week. One. The main reason is depth of pitching in the semi-state round. Will you have a better chance of finding four solid pitchers from a pool of 200 people or 50?

Cov Holy Cross has made the finals twice!!!

They have. Your're right. And they are the only one in 15 years that would still be classified as a Class A school today if we went to three classes. One team statewide in 15 years. That's not a level playing field.

They have. Your're right. And they are the only one in 15 years that would still be classified as a Class A school today if we went to three classes. One team statewide in 15 years. That's not a level playing field.

 

You have to look at the whole picture of your theoretical classification, South Oldham is not a 3A school, middle of 2A. Highlands is barely a 2A school in that classification. Same with Elizabethtown. NCC is single A. Bishop Brossart is single A. If you look at the past polls about half of the top twenty teams on the girls side are A or 2A size schools and the poll in 2008 will look very much the same. More than half of the championships have been won by 2A size schools or smaller. Exactly half of the participants in the finals have been 2A schools or smaller. Until the top 20 is dominated by 3A schools or the A and 2A schools are not competitive with those schools, there is no need for classification in girls soccer.

It depends on the pool of players you have to choose from. There's one small school in the state baseball tournament this week. One. The main reason is depth of pitching in the semi-state round. Will you have a better chance of finding four solid pitchers from a pool of 200 people or 50?

 

Obviously 200.

 

But... What if you only needed 1 pitcher.

 

If you had a 3 day best 2 out of 3 substate in softball, then you need 1 pitcher.

 

Then, if you played an 8 game single elimination tournament for the championship after a weeks rest, and you play 1 game a day, then you need 1 pitcher.

 

With the current set up, a team would have to win anywhere from 5 to 7 games in a two day marathon.

 

That is why, in sticking to whether softball should be classed, I don't think so. Should the playoff method be looked at? Maybe.

You have to look at the whole picture of your theoretical classification, South Oldham is not a 3A school, middle of 2A. Highlands is barely a 2A school in that classification. Same with Elizabethtown. NCC is single A. Bishop Brossart is single A. If you look at the past polls about half of the top twenty teams on the girls side are A or 2A size schools and the poll in 2008 will look very much the same. More than half of the championships have been won by 2A size schools or smaller. Exactly half of the participants in the finals have been 2A schools or smaller. Until the top 20 is dominated by 3A schools or the A and 2A schools are not competitive with those schools, there is no need for classification in girls soccer.

Six of those are by South Oldham. How many times has the All-A Classic state champion (boys or girls) also won the overall state championship? It's happened in softball. I'm fairly certain it's happened in baseball. It's happened in basketball. But it has not happened in soccer.

 

I don't consider a team near the top in 2A enrollment a small school.

The other big difference is the number of schools participating in girls soccer vs. track. Just a guess but I bet there are well over 200 schools probably closer to 250 schools participating in track. Therefore splitting that number gives you about 80 ish per class. Girls soccer has around 160 to 170 schools participating. That divides in the mid 50s per class and would make for a 4 or 5 game post season, seems very diluted to me...

Six of those are by South Oldham. How many times has the All-A Classic state champion (boys or girls) also won the overall state championship? It's happened in softball. I'm fairly certain it's happened in baseball. It's happened in basketball. But it has not happened in soccer.

 

I don't consider a team near the top in 2A enrollment a small school.

 

But you consider them a large school? Half of the top twenty teams are 2A or smaller, that speaks for itself as far as whether or not things are "competitive" or not.

The other big difference is the number of schools participating in girls soccer vs. track. Just a guess but I bet there are well over 200 schools probably closer to 250 schools participating in track. Therefore splitting that number gives you about 80 ish per class. Girls soccer has around 160 to 170 schools participating. That divides in the mid 50s per class and would make for a 4 or 5 game post season, seems very diluted to me...

That's a good arguement. But more and more schools are adding soccer.

 

And there were 215 schools who competed in track this year (74 in 1A,

69 in 2A, and 72 in 3A).

 

There were 195 schools who field a boys and/or girls soccer program this year.

But you consider them a large school? Half of the top twenty teams are 2A or smaller, that speaks for itself as far as whether or not things are "competitive" or not.

How many ranked teams are eligible for the All-A Classic?