Coach Hard has it right. That is truly sad. Most people understand a small percentage of football. You also ge tpressure from parents because they feel an offense like that hurts little Johnny's chance to play college football.

Didn't hurt Tim Biakkabatuka...man I know I misspelled it, yall remember that cat that played for Michigan. He came from a DW high school.

I think the biggest problems with these offenses is not the players or coaches on the sidelines. I think a lot of people don't do it for fear of all the coaches in the stands and in the administration. Everybody "knows" football. Heck, they watch it every weekend. So that makes them card carrying members of the KHSAA football coaching association!!

 

I would love to see more of it at the high school level! SW is really cool with the unbalanced, crazy spinning stuff, but I'm a DW fan. I'd gladly go watch either on a Friday night.

 

Sometimes coaches worry about what their peers and others will think when they run something that is "different". Coach Hard is right.:thumb:

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As coaches we still have to keep our jobs. You start getting pressure from outside the program (sometime within) to run a modern offense or to get out of that "youth league" offense. I completely agree with Coach Hard. You put Alexander in the DW he still puts up the same amount of offense. Unless your kid is a stud QB then the DW is not going to hurt anyone's college chances. Mom and Dad do not see it that way sometimes. People also think they will not get the players out. That is one reason people go to the the "spread" style offense to get basketball type kids out.

 

Now SW is a little different because it is not as much of a "phone booth" style offense. I am with everyone else here and I would love to see a program sell into it.

I have spoken to one college coach who told me point blank he does not recruit any qb who ran the wing T in high school. His reasoning for this was they were two to three years behind QB'S who ran a"normal" offense.

What offense does that college run?

 

That theory is flawed on a ton of levels. That concept is not completely unheard of. Texas Tech goes after a different type of QB then WVU use to. Houston back in the Run and Shoot days recruited option QBs.

 

That way of thinking I still think is flawed.

They set up in multiple formations.

Formations are not offensive systems. Nebraska lined up in multiple formations but they were an option team. Both SW and DW teams can line up in a number of formations but they are still going to run their core.

 

I assume the guy is talking about the wing t formation and not the offense. There is a difference between them. Tons of teams run wing t running plays and even wing t formations (highlands was based out of red/blue when they ran jet).

 

I wonder what about the wing t translates to QBs being behind. That is QB coaching more than system. Bill Walsh built his run game off of the wing t. Rich Gannon did alright coming from the wing t.

Sounds like the college coach is a little behind on looking for athletes. Would it really matter what system a kid came from? An athlete is an athlete, is an athlete. That's just ridiculous. If a kid is worthy of playing at the college level, shouldn't he be capable of picking up a new system? Isn't it the coach's job to teach his system? That's just absurd! When recruiting a kid, I would look for my ideal size, performance, GRADES, stats (not game stats, but strength and speed), and then the intangibles. Does he make good decisions? Is he tough? Is he a WINNER? If that coach's philosophy were the right one, then only QBs coming out of the Rich Franklin system would be 'worthy' of recruiting. That burns me up. I've seen kids play QB in the Wing-T, Single Wing, and double wing, that I believe would be excellent college players.

Oops. Wrong thread...!

Its the Tony Franklin system I think is what you are refering to. While those QBs put up numbers often I think there are a number of places that do not like how they teach the QBs.

 

I can understand to a small degree where the guy is coming from considering how much more advanced the HS QB position has become over the last 10 yrs or so. I just do not understand why the guy thinks that Wing T QBs are so far behind. If anyone has ver watched Farve's HS film he is leading on toss sweeps after pitching the ball back. Now of course he did not get a lot of offers but he did get offers.

 

I could see a school like Deleware not looking at spread QBs much because there is less ball handling compared to their offense. The odds of landing such a QB are slimmer also because they will want to go to a similar system.

Ooops...got UFC on the brain I guess. Rich Franklin is the "Ace" and former light heavyweight champion. Tony Franklin is the system I was making reference to. Thanks barrel

Formations are not offensive systems. Nebraska lined up in multiple formations but they were an option team. Both SW and DW teams can line up in a number of formations but they are still going to run their core.

 

I assume the guy is talking about the wing t formation and not the offense. There is a difference between them. Tons of teams run wing t running plays and even wing t formations (highlands was based out of red/blue when they ran jet).

 

I wonder what about the wing t translates to QBs being behind. That is QB coaching more than system. Bill Walsh built his run game off of the wing t. Rich Gannon did alright coming from the wing t.

I understand that FORMATION ARE NOT OFFENSIVE SYSTEMS. To make sure I give the right info the next time I see the coach I will ask him what his base offense is.

 

I know he is over .500 in his coaching career and he is a college coach which tells me he must know what he is doing on some level.

I would assume from the statement he runs a pro-style passing attack (like Coverdale) and inside/outside zone. That and offenses based out of the gun are the two most common right now.

 

Like I said later I can some what understand his POV. Below D1 you are limited resource and time wise so you narrow down things. I would be interested in why he believes wing t QBs are that far behind in general and what he uses to determine if a team is a wing t team. There is such a big difference between QBs now and QBs 10 yrs ago.

Did Pikeville run the single wing "O" a few years ago?