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The scripture that you refer to Acts 19:1-6 was when Apollos had baptised the Ephesians, he(Apollo) had not received the Holy Spirit nor had he heard about it. So actually they had not been baptised. Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body and one Spirit-just as you were called to one hope when you were called-one Lord, one faith, one baptism: one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

 

If you are saying that there is only one baptism that brings the Holy Spirit I would agree with you. But Scripture indicates that there were baptisms that did not bring the Holy Spirit. The one you mentioned on Apollos. In addition, by Christ sending the disciples out to baptize, the assumption is that they were baptized too but did not receive the Holy Spirit till Acts.

 

The whole baptism issue is an interesting study. One interesting thing, it seems with the disciples baptizing that would mean that JUDAS baptized people. I would assume those baptisms were good, meaning it is the person being baptized and not the person doing the baptism.

 

 

Which leads to a question for all.............

Does it depend who does the baptism? A lot of churches are encouraging parents to baptize their child. What are the qualificiations for baptizing someone?

Great point about Judas. As a discipcle I guess he was Baptized and has salvation?

 

 

I believe anyone can Baptize anyone, but I would think they would have been Baptized theirselves. I think its not about the Baptizer as much as the Baptizee.

LBBC, Ill try to answer your questions regarding-If they cannot make that public profession, what is the purpose of the baptism? And being baptized is a personal decision between you and Christ, is it not?

 

We no more wait for our children to decide about being in the family of God than we wait for them to decide if they would like to be a part of our human family. As parents, we make many decisions — in matters of health, safety, education, for example — for our children. Of course, they may later reject what we have done for them. But, this possibility does not relieve us of the responsibility to do all that we can for them spiritually, as we do in other aspects of their lives.

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The scripture that you refer to Acts 19:1-6 was when Apollos had baptised the Ephesians, he(Apollo) had not received the Holy Spirit nor had he heard about it. So actually they had not been baptised. Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body and one Spirit-just as you were called to one hope when you were called-one Lord, one faith, one baptism: one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

 

If you are saying that there is only one baptism that brings the Holy Spirit I would agree with you. But Scripture indicates that there were baptisms that did not bring the Holy Spirit. The one you mentioned on Apollos. In addition, by Christ sending the disciples out to baptize, the assumption is that they were baptized too but did not receive the Holy Spirit till Acts.

 

The whole baptism issue is an interesting study. One interesting thing, it seems with the disciples baptizing that would mean that JUDAS baptized people. I would assume those baptisms were good, meaning it is the person being baptized and not the person doing the baptism.

 

 

Which leads to a question for all.............

Does it depend who does the baptism? A lot of churches are encouraging parents to baptize their child. What are the qualificiations for baptizing someone?

 

Yes, agree that there is only one baptism that brings the Holy Spirit.

In Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

Act 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

LBBC, Ill try to answer your questions regarding-If they cannot make that public profession, what is the purpose of the baptism? And being baptized is a personal decision between you and Christ, is it not?

 

We no more wait for our children to decide about being in the family of God than we wait for them to decide if they would like to be a part of our human family. As parents, we make many decisions — in matters of health, safety, education, for example — for our children. Of course, they may later reject what we have done for them. But, this possibility does not relieve us of the responsibility to do all that we can for them spiritually, as we do in other aspects of their lives.

 

Very good response and very good point.

 

My only response to it would be that you didn't make the choice for your child to be in your family, God did. While in our warped society today you would make a choice on whether your child is born or not, God decided who your child was going to be.

Baptism / Baptiso means immersion. Baptism is an act of obedience after salvation ---a picture of the gospel (death, burial and ressurection) but plays no part in salvation itself. Baptism does not wash away sin only the blood of Christ can do that. In order to have proper baptism there are certain criteria that must be met.

1. There must be a proper candidate. A proper candidate is a born-again believer who desires to be obedient after their public profession of faith and follow the Lord in baptism.

2. There must be a proper mode. That would be immersion. Not sprinkling but total immersion.

3. There must be a proper administrator with proper authority. A proper administrator is the person that a local assembly of baptised believers have (local church) given authority to administer this ordinance. This is usually the Pastor.

 

Baptism is how an individual becomes a member of a local new testament assembly (local church). Other ways of becoming a member of a local church is by letter from another church of like faith and order that practices scriptural baptism and does not accept alien immersion (baptism from a church that baptizes without meeting the above criteria.) Being baptized again could happen when and if a person realizes that they made a false profession of faith and therefore their previous baptism becomes null and void or if they have been baptized in such a manner that does not meet the scriptural criteria listed above. Baptism is a beautiful picture of the amazing Grace of God but plays absolutely no part in salvation itself.

2. There must be a proper mode. That would be immersion. Not sprinkling but total immersion.

 

Wonder if God really cares? My guess he has bigger things on his plate.

 

 

 

3. There must be a proper administrator with proper authority. A proper administrator is the person that a local assembly of baptised believers have (local church) given authority to administer this ordinance. This is usually the Pastor.

 

 

Who says who can or can not baptize someone?

Wonder if God really cares? My guess he has bigger things on his plate.

 

 

Our God is a big God and yet he does care even about the smallest detail. If not why would he mention it in His word? Matt. 3:16 "went straightway up out of the water."

 

Who says who can or can not baptize someone?

 

The Bible for one. John 3:22 reads:"After these things came Jesus and His disciples into the land of Judea and there he tarried with them and baptized." John 4:2 reads, "Jesus Himself baptized not, but his disciples." These two passages emphasize how Jesus committed the ordinances of baptism to His disciples, giving them the authority to baptize. The very fact that He gave this authority to His disciples, infers that those who were not His disciples did not have the authority, and if they did not have the authority of Christ, how could they baptize? The whole question of scriptural baptism is a question of authority. Nowhere in the Scriptures do we find a single place where anyone was baptized by anyone who did not have his authority from Christ Himself, or the church which He built. Scriptural baptism must not only be administered by one who has divine authority, but unless that authority has been specially given, as in the case of John the Baptist, that authority must reside in a scriptural church. According to John 1:6, John the Baptist was a man sent from God and he at the time had the authority from God to baptize: "...but he that sent me to baptize with water.." (John 1:33). Since John the Baptist got his authority from God and his baptism was heaven-sent and heaven-ordained, Jesus Christ walked 60 miles from Galilee to Jordan to get to John to be baptized. Again Jesus emphasized the importance of a scriptural administrator when He asked the chief priests and elders the question, "The baptism of John whence was it, from heaven, or from men?" According to Acts 1:21-22, Jesus and all the 12 disciples were baptized by John.

 

 

You don't have to believe it or even think it is important but God's Word says otherwise. Your argument is with God, not me.

Hounds, how many disciples were there? Hint: He sent out at least 70 in pairs.

WOW!!!! Hounds intreptation is so narrow that if believed you could make a case that everything Jesus spoke to his disciples is only meant for church leaders.

The Bible for one. John 3:22 reads:"After these things came Jesus and His disciples into the land of Judea and there he tarried with them and baptized." John 4:2 reads, "Jesus Himself baptized not, but his disciples." These two passages emphasize how Jesus committed the ordinances of baptism to His disciples, giving them the authority to baptize. The very fact that He gave this authority to His disciples, infers that those who were not His disciples did not have the authority, and if they did not have the authority of Christ, how could they baptize? The whole question of scriptural baptism is a question of authority. Nowhere in the Scriptures do we find a single place where anyone was baptized by anyone who did not have his authority from Christ Himself, or the church which He built. Scriptural baptism must not only be administered by one who has divine authority, but unless that authority has been specially given, as in the case of John the Baptist, that authority must reside in a scriptural church. According to John 1:6, John the Baptist was a man sent from God and he at the time had the authority from God to baptize: "...but he that sent me to baptize with water.." (John 1:33). Since John the Baptist got his authority from God and his baptism was heaven-sent and heaven-ordained, Jesus Christ walked 60 miles from Galilee to Jordan to get to John to be baptized. Again Jesus emphasized the importance of a scriptural administrator when He asked the chief priests and elders the question, "The baptism of John whence was it, from heaven, or from men?" According to Acts 1:21-22, Jesus and all the 12 disciples were baptized by John.

 

 

You don't have to believe it or even think it is important but God's Word says otherwise. Your argument is with God, not me.

 

A few more questions, hounds.

 

Isn't it interesting that Jesus upheld John's baptism as heaven sent but then later on in the Scripture that are listed in this thread previously, John's baptism apparently didn't come with the Holy Spirit and Paul rebaptized?

 

Who is the person, appointed by God, that is most responsible for the bringing to God's family, my children? If it is me as the father and my wife as the mother isn't that scriptural authority as I (NOT THE YOUTH MINISTER) am the MAIN Christian teacher of my children?

 

Don't I as a Christian have the same Holy Spirit in me that my senior pastor has? Wouldn't that be the same divine authority?

Good Monday to everyone, I can see that I am way behind in the discussion!

 

To answer Alabama's question, it should be answered by another question...

 

What is the point of baptism? Once this question is answered, then people will come to the conclusion that the technique does not matter. For is it baptism that guarantees you life after death? Or maybe it is a symbol to the world represent that a person is a follower Christ!

 

Now as for the Holy Spirit. I believe this was discussed in great detail by Ky Girl. Especially, once after baptisized. My question is this what is the Holy Spirit used for? I know that most are thinking to bring people closer to God! I agree with this thought, but to bring people closer to God, To use the Spirit does not one have to be close to God!

 

So maybe baptism is not a saving point, but a point that allows us to understand God's amazing grace by allowing His power to come over us, so that in turn people can be drawn closer to Him!

 

When can Baptism happen?

 

If you work under the assumption as I do as the age of accountability. The age can happen anywhere as soon as the child knows right from wrong.

 

However, I might be wrong on all of this! That is also a possiblity! I look forward to seeing what everyone thinks!

Don't I as a Christian have the same Holy Spirit in me that my senior pastor has? Wouldn't that be the same divine authority?

 

I think we are thinking along the same lines.

This is a link to an article that defines the biblical position (all aspects) of baptism. I really don't expect many to agree but you are arguing with the Word of God, not me. http://www.baptistpillar.com/bd0205.htm

This is a link to an article that defines the biblical position (all aspects) of baptism. I really don't expect many to agree but you are arguing with the Word of God, not me. http://www.baptistpillar.com/bd0205.htm

 

I am not sure of that and why I am posing the questions, as it seems the word of God could hold a differing position.

 

From the article the conclusion is not Scriptural but rather their interpretation on Scripture....

 

What is the answer to this seeming difficulty? Jesus was speaking to His church as an institution. When the Apostles died, the church as an institution kept on with the commission. With the Lord's churches today, the promise is being fulfilled.

 

I see Matthew 28 as talking to all Christians. That all Christians have the responsibility to go out and make disciples of men, not just the church staff.