Mr.Fundamental Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 What religious scripture should we look at for the week?
kygirl Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 Luke 11: 9,10 "So I say to you: Ask and it will given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened."
Mr.Fundamental Posted March 3, 2008 Author Posted March 3, 2008 OK This works... My first question is this... in context is Jesus speaking in or about? Then we can get more in depth...
kygirl Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 God is always faithful to respond appropriately to our needs. We ask because we have confidence that God will give. So we should be confident that when we ask, seek, or knock that God indeed will respond. Asking requires faith, and God honors faithful people. Jesus is talking with his disciples and telling them how they are to think and behave. In other words, these verses are directed to the kind of person who has a relationship with God while having the right kind of motives and goals. In James 4:3- When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with the wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures. Prayer is to be central to one's life and walk with God. Prayer gives us the opportunity to allow God to help us to do what we are called to do in his strength. Prayer gives us the privilege to communicate with our heavenly Father. God is never out of range, his line is never busy, and our minutes are free. Prayer is an affirmation of our awareness of God's presence in our lives.
Mr.Fundamental Posted March 4, 2008 Author Posted March 4, 2008 To live by faith, is kind of the jest of what you are saying. Which is true, to have a pure intent, this is where most people I believe get these versus wrong.
kygirl Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 To live by faith, is kind of the jest of what you are saying. Which is true, to have a pure intent, this is where most people I believe get these versus wrong. Yes! When it comes to dealing with the One who knows our hearts, motives are as much a factor as the specifics of the request. Another point sometimes we fail to ask God for help because of pride. Perhaps will think that the old saying , "God helps those who help themselves," is a biblical truth. Actually, it's a quote from Ben Franklin's Poor Richard's Almanac of 1733 (page 81). Yet God expects us to ask him for our daily bread (Luke 11:3).
Mr.Fundamental Posted March 4, 2008 Author Posted March 4, 2008 I was heard a preacher talk about this short scripture, his perspective was interesting. He said that ask in prayer, seek the answer, and expect an answer. He contends that many folks pray for things and never really expect them to happen. I don't know what to think about this for two reasons 1. I don't believe that God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is a genny(sp). I believe that He does things according to His will and not by my selfishness. 2. My selfishness... is it not selfishness, that I would want a nice shelter, rich food, and beautiful clothing. Yes, it is. But, I also believe that God wants the very best for us. I believe that He does not wish for people to be unhappy or even that matter poor. Is this belief selfish or is it based upon a truth? Think about it, do you not want to give to your children the best? But what is best? Are we not God's children? I believe that we are:dancingpa! So, as His children are we entitled to anything? I believe that His love and grace? Which brings us back to full circle, maybe because of His Grace, we can ask, seek and knock, and just maybe we will find the answers that everyone is looking for! I think that Solomon had it correct, he asked for wisdom, he sought it, and it was granted! I think that wisdom is the key to this verse! What do you think:confused:
kygirl Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 I think that Solomon had it correct, he asked for wisdom, he sought it, and it was granted! I think that wisdom is the key to this verse! What do you think I feel that its one of the keys. When I look at Luke 11:13 "If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!" Compared to God, we all are evil(Romans 3:10-18, 23). Jesus points to the Holy Spirit as that which God will give us when we pray. Human expectation of entitlement is just that. No where in the New Testament does it promise "name it and claim it" view of the gospel. Paul states, "my God will meet all your needs according to his glorious riches in Christ Jesus". Another point, Solomon not only asked for wisdom but was confident that God would supply it. Jesus teaches us that prayer is something to pursue in godly confidence. In doing so it reflects our relationship to God through Jesus.
Mr.Fundamental Posted March 4, 2008 Author Posted March 4, 2008 I think that Solomon had it correct, he asked for wisdom, he sought it, and it was granted! I think that wisdom is the key to this verse! What do you think I feel that its one of the keys. When I look at Luke 11:13 "If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!" Compared to God, we all are evil(Romans 3:10-18, 23). Jesus points to the Holy Spirit as that which God will give us when we pray. Human expectation of entitlement is just that. No where in the New Testament does it promise "name it and claim it" view of the gospel. Paul states, "my God will meet all your needs according to his glorious riches in Christ Jesus". Another point, Solomon not only asked for wisdom but was confident that God would supply it. Jesus teaches us that prayer is something to pursue in godly confidence. In doing so it reflects our relationship to God through Jesus. How do you expalin "For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened." It seems to me there is an action step sometimes through prayer "ask, receive", but there are others "seek and find, knock and open". To me this translates that if you follow through with God's will and then you will succeed.
kygirl Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 How do you expalin "For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened." It seems to me there is an action step sometimes through prayer "ask, receive", but there are others "seek and find, knock and open". The action would be confidence that when we ask, seek, or knock that God will indeed respond(open the door).To me this translates that if you follow through with God's will and then you will succeed. When we approach God in a hesitant way we may question whether we "deserve" the good things we request. But that approach turns the focus from God and onto ourselves.
Mr.Fundamental Posted March 4, 2008 Author Posted March 4, 2008 I was hoping you would come in on the decussion!
Mr.Fundamental Posted March 4, 2008 Author Posted March 4, 2008 When we approach God in a hesitant way we may question whether we "deserve" the good things we request. But that approach turns the focus from God and onto ourselves. Unfortunitley(sp) when we pray, usually the focus is always on ourselves. I have found that if I say that "Your will be done", it can put everything back into perspective.
The Scribe Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 I don't have a lot of time today so it's going to have to be John 11:35
Alabama Larry Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 I believe y'all about covered everything. Girl made some great points as well as Mr. The one thing I like about the passage is Jesus wants you to ask him, he is not a genie, but knows your heart 1st Samual 16:7. he hears the prayers of the righteous.
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