Player A has been in the game the whole time. Player A is announced to bat. Player B bats for player A. Player B was not announced, not switched out for player A and never told by the coaches to the umpire. Player B bats and gets on base.

 

2 batters later, coach comes out and sends Player A to pinch run for player B.

 

Player B never played in the game.

 

Is this allowed and what should have happened???

I'm going to give this a shot, but this would be under MLB rules.

 

I believe if no announcement of a substitution is made, the replacement player (Player B) is considered as having officially entered the game when he takes his place in the batter's box. So at that point, Player B becomes legal and has officially subbed for Player A.

 

Since you're no doubt referring to a high school situation, I would assume that Player A could then be re-inserted back into the game for Player B - it really wouldn't be as a "pinch runner" so much as a re-entry - meaning that Player B is now finished for the game.

 

While I feel confident on the first part of my answer, I should again point out that this is MLB ruling and don't know for certain if it matches NHFS rules.

I'm going to give this a shot, but this would be under MLB rules.

 

I believe if no announcement of a substitution is made, the replacement player (Player B) is considered as having officially entered the game when he takes his place in the batter's box. So at that point, Player B becomes legal and has officially subbed for Player A.

 

Since you're no doubt referring to a high school situation, I would assume that Player A could then be re-inserted back into the game for Player B - it really wouldn't be as a "pinch runner" so much as a re-entry - meaning that Player B is now finished for the game.

 

While I feel confident on the first part of my answer, I should again point out that this is MLB ruling and don't know for certain if it matches NHFS rules.

 

I think you've got it right, Coop.

Agreed, once he bats, Player "B" officially enters the game, regardless of announcement or notification.

 

Well done C'Town....I agree.

I'm going to give this a shot, but this would be under MLB rules.

 

I believe if no announcement of a substitution is made, the replacement player (Player B) is considered as having officially entered the game when he takes his place in the batter's box. So at that point, Player B becomes legal and has officially subbed for Player A.

 

Since you're no doubt referring to a high school situation, I would assume that Player A could then be re-inserted back into the game for Player B - it really wouldn't be as a "pinch runner" so much as a re-entry - meaning that Player B is now finished for the game.

 

While I feel confident on the first part of my answer, I should again point out that this is MLB ruling and don't know for certain if it matches NHFS rules.

 

I agree you hit it on the head...one additional thought...if, before the batter after player b gets a pitch...the mistake is caught and reported...that would be batting out of order and b man is out...correct?

I agree you hit it on the head...one additional thought...if, before the batter after player b gets a pitch...the mistake is caught and reported...that would be batting out of order and b man is out...correct?

He would have considered to be a "sub", for Player "A" and entered the game, in his batting position.

 

It's not a mistake, but more of lack of announcement of entering a game.

But player B does not take the field at all during the game. Does that matter???

But player B does not take the field at all during the game. Does that matter???

No, "B" batted for "A" and reached base, then "A" re-entered the game for "B".

 

While it may not have been announced, it is official in both team books.

He would have considered to be a "sub", for Player "A" and entered the game, in his batting position.

 

It's not a mistake, but more of lack of announcement of entering a game.

 

That's the way I'd view it also. It's not really an issue of "batting out of order"; it is - like K3 said - a failure to announce a sub. A sub that becomes automatically legal once he steps in the box, regardless of the manager's failure to notify the umpire.

 

If what you were asking is this situation:

 

Player A bats in his proper spot.

Player C bats when Player B should have been up.

Player B is about to bat and other team catches it.

 

Then Player B is called out and Player C is up to bat. (which I've always found to be somewhat odd - you'd think Player C would be penalized).

 

This ruling is that when a players bats out of turn, the proper batter is called out. If an improper batter bats and reaches base or is out and no appeal is made before a pitch to the next batter, then that improper batter is considered to have batted in proper turn.

 

Or at least I think that's right . . .

That's the way I'd view it also. It's not really an issue of "batting out of order"; it is - like K3 said - a failure to announce a sub. A sub that becomes automatically legal once he steps in the box, regardless of the manager's failure to notify the umpire.

 

If what you were asking is this situation:

 

Player A bats in his proper spot.

Player C bats when Player B should have been up.

Player B is about to bat and other team catches it.

 

Then Player B is called out and Player C is up to bat. (which I've always found to be somewhat odd - you'd think Player C would be penalized).

 

This ruling is that when a players bats out of turn, the proper batter is called out. If an improper batter bats and reaches base or is out and no appeal is made before a ptch to the next batter, then that improper batter is considered to have batted in proper turn.

 

Or at least I think that's right . . .

 

You are correct.

thanks for the help!!!!!!:thumb:

I'm going to give this a shot, but this would be under MLB rules.

 

I believe if no announcement of a substitution is made, the replacement player (Player B) is considered as having officially entered the game when he takes his place in the batter's box. So at that point, Player B becomes legal and has officially subbed for Player A.

 

Since you're no doubt referring to a high school situation, I would assume that Player A could then be re-inserted back into the game for Player B - it really wouldn't be as a "pinch runner" so much as a re-entry - meaning that Player B is now finished for the game.

 

While I feel confident on the first part of my answer, I should again point out that this is MLB ruling and don't know for certain if it matches NHFS rules.

:thumb: I agree with this explanation.