It looks like the JCPS policy is in danger.

 

http://news.nky.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20061205/NEWS0103/612050365

 

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061205/NEWS0104/612050368

 

Justices may favor color-blind schools

Experts: Questions suggest Jefferson policy in danger

 

From the bench, Justice Anthony Kennedy said the policy was akin to "saying everybody can have a meal," but only those of a certain skin color "can get the dessert."

 

Chief Justice John Roberts said the purpose of the Constitution's Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment "is to ensure that people are treated as individuals rather than based on the color of their skin." The school systems, contrary to that, based assignments on race, he said.

I don't know that I'd read too much into that, LBBC. I think that, historically speaking, the Supreme Court Justices tend to ask very tough questions, often regardless of their true leanings, or the way they ultimately vote in a given case.

 

 

Frances

 

PS - I'd like to see what Hearsay has to say about these comments.

But don't they have open enrollment in Jefferson County? So if you lived in the West End, you could chose to go to whatever school you wish as long as they were not stocked to the gills with students?

 

Not intentionally stirring the pot here but an honest question. Does the private schools in Jefferson County have any guidelines to follow as the publics seem to in racial divide? I am guessing no because they are private in nature and was just curioius.

It doesn't really work that way at the primary school level. There are resides districts at all levels except for a few schools.

 

Kids usually go to pretty much their home school in elementry grades, unless the parents are super intense about education (like mine were.) Disadvantaged minority children typically have very low level parental involvement, and to counteract that the system was setup with that in mind. Many of the best magnet programs at all levels are located in poor home districts.

It doesn't really work that way at the primary school level. There are resides districts at all levels except for a few schools.

 

Kids usually go to pretty much their home school in elementry grades, unless the parents are super intense about education (like mine were.) Disadvantaged minority children typically have very low level parental involvement, and to counteract that the system was setup with that in mind. Many of the best magnet programs at all levels are located in poor home districts.

Thanks for the information. Taking what you have said, it seems the problem is tracked back to about 99% of the problems in education.....lack of parental involvement and caring.

I don't know that I'd read too much into that, LBBC. I think that, historically speaking, the Supreme Court Justices tend to ask very tough questions, often regardless of their true leanings, or the way they ultimately vote in a given case.

 

 

Frances

 

PS - I'd like to see what Hearsay has to say about these comments.

 

You are correct. "Oral argument" is often where Justices asked pointed, Socratic questions to counsel arguing the case to see if they have considered certain angles, or to tie them up on case precedent. In some case is might reflect their leanings, but the majority of the time their actual opinions are held pretty close to the vest.

Thanks for the information. Taking what you have said, it seems the problem is tracked back to about 99% of the problems in education.....lack of parental involvement and caring.

 

I know you are an educator, but I think 99% is high. A lot has to do with financial entitlement mentality of the public educational establishment, and also with the philosophy that all children are created equal, when in fact, they are not.

You are correct. "Oral argument" is often where Justices asked pointed, Socratic questions to counsel arguing the case to see if they have considered certain angles, or to tie them up on case precedent. In some case is might reflect their leanings, but the majority of the time their actual opinions are held pretty close to the vest.

Are you trying to bring the OSU-Michigan argument into this thread?????

I know you are an educator, but I think 99% is high. A lot has to do with financial entitlement mentality of the public educational establishment, and also with the philosophy that all children are created equal, when in fact, they are not.

I would throw politicians and parents together as the issue. Politicians run on that last statement and put unrealistic expectations on schools so that they look good to the voters. They are "doing something to improve education."

I know you are an educator, but I think 99% is high. A lot has to do with financial entitlement mentality of the public educational establishment, and also with the philosophy that all children are created equal, when in fact, they are not.

Maybe not, but it's pretty darn close. For probably 80% of the bell curve, I would say total enviornment is by far the most important factor over predisposition. Of course, by the time public schools get a hold of kids, how far are they in to their enviornmental predisposition?

I would throw politicians and parents together as the issue. Politicians run on that last statement and put unrealistic expectations on schools so that they look good to the voters. They are "doing something to improve education."

The only time Politicians try to get into education is by bringing up, rewardless and useless things like NCLB and KERA. NCLB puts high stakes on scores, KERA thinks "bigger is better."