Referee Region Swap

[coachforlife]

Never ever thought I would say it......but please bring back the 6th/7th region refs. Wherever the ones are from doing the games in Louisville this week make ours look really good!!!

[Jim Schue]

Frankly, I think the region swap is a great thing, because it forces teams to be adaptable to whatever the point of emphasis is in different regions, thereby preparing them for what goes on at state (should they make it). Your region's refs won't be doing your game, should you make it to state.

[sumoroyal]

Never ever thought I would say it......but please bring back the 6th/7th region refs. Wherever the ones are from doing the games in Louisville this week make ours look really good!!!

 

 

Those are our region officials and they do a good job. I will tell you this, from what I have seen in the girls and one night of the boys, Louisville officials let more physical play and our officials probably calls it a little closer. Teams have to adjust.

[coachforlife]

we can disagree, maybe the big crowd affected them. but obviously wanted to be a part of the show instead of calling the game.

[passtheball]

we can disagree, maybe the big crowd affected them. but obviously wanted to be a part of the show instead of calling the game.

 

If you are discussing the Male/Manual game, I didn't see it that way. Yes they may call the game differently than the 7th regions officials, but they were consistent with the calls. I thought they were crisp with there mechanics and were in the right place throughout the game.

 

I don't know what prompted the technical foul, so I'm assuming it was something that was said by the player.

 

I agree with the other posters that you have to adjust to how the game is called. It prepares you for the sweet sixteen if you make it there.

[Valhalla]

Overall I feel the region ref swap idea is a solid idea with plenty of merit. Some of the pros include whatever familiarity officials may have with player's style, intentions, habits, etc is removed. No assumptions should be applied given an officials knowledge of a player(s). On the other hand, some negatives that I have experienced in watching officials from other regions is the tendency to make calls they never would have made when working their own region. The Tech Foul in the Male-Manual game could be a good example? Other examples are 3 second lane violations ... when a small % of 1 foot is touching the lane. Or when a player is blocking out for a rebound and is called for the foul ... due to "displacement" of the other player.

 

Are any of these examples a violation of the rules? Sure. Are they EVER called in the region they officiate. No. This is my issue with region ref swapping. The merits of the idea are solid. However, I just feel many refs have a tendency to justify their selection as a top official via calling minute rules infractions they have never made prior. So, making "adjustments" to the style of officiating becomes more challenged.

 

Bottom line is I am still in favor of this idea. Ultimately, there just isn't a perfect system which removes all issues. Also, no substitute for playing good and sticking the ball in the bucket!!

[Jim Schue]

Overall I feel the region ref swap idea is a solid idea with plenty of merit. Some of the pros include whatever familiarity officials may have with player's style, intentions, habits, etc is removed. No assumptions should be applied given an officials knowledge of a player(s). On the other hand, some negatives that I have experienced in watching officials from other regions is the tendency to make calls they never would have made when working their own region. The Tech Foul in the Male-Manual game could be a good example? Other examples are 3 second lane violations ... when a small % of 1 foot is touching the lane. Or when a player is blocking out for a rebound and is called for the foul ... due to "displacement" of the other player.

 

Are any of these examples a violation of the rules? Sure. Are they EVER called in the region they officiate. No. This is my issue with region ref swapping. The merits of the idea are solid. However, I just feel many refs have a tendency to justify their selection as a top official via calling minute rules infractions they have never made prior. So, making "adjustments" to the style of officiating becomes more challenged.

 

Bottom line is I am still in favor of this idea. Ultimately, there just isn't a perfect system which removes all issues. Also, no substitute for playing good and sticking the ball in the bucket!!

 

How do you know this to be the case unless you also watch games in that region regularly?

[coachforlife]

It's part of wanting to be a part of the show. They were competing with each other----making calls from across the floor. On several occasions, one would look at the other with a questioning look. I was not referring to a particular game. But since male-Manual was brought up----one guy made 75 percent of the calls no matter where he was positioned. Makes the crew look bad when a guy 40 feet away makes a call where another guy is. 5 feet away. Oh well, I have learned to be careful what I wish for because you get it in regionals.

[BirdBrain]

It's part of wanting to be a part of the show. They were competing with each other----making calls from across the floor. On several occasions, one would look at the other with a questioning look. I was not referring to a particular game. But since male-Manual was brought up----one guy made 75 percent of the calls no matter where he was positioned. Makes the crew look bad when a guy 40 feet away makes a call where another guy is. 5 feet away. Oh well, I have learned to be careful what I wish for because you get it in regionals.

 

So are you saying that these officials were not calling within their PCA ?

[Valhalla]

"How do you know this to be the case unless you also watch games in that region regularly?"

Thanks for the response. First, I actually do get to witness a solid number of games/officials from other regions. Second, if they were consistently making those type calls do you think they would be rated as one of the top officials for that region?

[BirdBrain]

"How do you know this to be the case unless you also watch games in that region regularly?"

Thanks for the response. First, I actually do get to witness a solid number of games/officials from other regions. Second, if they were consistently making those type calls do you think they would be rated as one of the top officials for that region?

 

Yes.

 

If officials are consistently enforcing the rules and points of emphasis, irrespective of someone's opinion of the value of those rules, then they most certainly would be rated as top officials for a region.

 

The inverse of your argument defies logic: If these officials are NOT enforcing the rules and points of emphasis, then they must be top officials in the region ?

[Valhalla]

Let me be clear -- I am in favor of this idea/practice.

 

The initial point of this thread was getting acclimated to how officials are calling games. My point is this becomes challenged (for kids/coaches) given some (not all) wish to justify their selection as a top region official in making (hairline) calls they have not been making on a regular basis. Thus, the difficulty in acclimation to way calls are being made.

 

Once again, I am IN FAVOR of this practice and this point does NOT defy logic for the same reasons that Barney Fife was always a Deputy versus Sheriff. Barney was really good at identifying ALL the rules ... but the community didn't quite run as smooth when he identified all those rules infractions did it!?!

[coachforlife]

I don't care about "areas." But the 1st base umpire doesn't call balls and strikes for a reason???????????

[Clyde]

I don't care about "areas." But the 1st base umpire doesn't call balls and strikes for a reason???????????

 

 

Very poor analogy.

[coachforlife]

No not with how they were calling it yesterday. When they look at each other with "the look" even they know.