A district 22 knothole game had a batting out of order incident. The batting team (home up 8 runs) was into the fourth batter of the inning when the opposing "book" noticed the error. What is the ruling? No one knew but the home team was "comfortably" ahead so they declared "3-outs / inning over". But where does the batting order start in the next at bat? The home team counted the next 3 batters that were supposed to have hit (7-8-9) in the previous inning as outs and thus started at the 10 spot and then the top of the order. I knd of think that the batter at the time of the error being caught is out..and then the order procedes from where it should have been started. But that didn't seem fair because we had runners on base...It wasn't a "BIG" issue, but both sides would like to know the correct way to handle this situation. I'm sure there are some "experts" that can shed light on this,,,thanks!:confused:

I am only going by what the Major League rule was several years ago and still may be the same. You said 7-8-9 were scheduled to bat. Let's say 8 leads off and gets a hit.

The team in the field now has to appeal to batting out of order. 8 gets called out for batting in the 7 spot, then bats again because his spot is up. If, however, one pitch gets thrown to 9, there is no batting out of order and the game is played on from that point.

I don't know if this is same in high school or knothole leagues.

Rule 6 covers "The Batter". Specifically, you are looking for rule 6.07 "Batting Out of Turn".

 

In your description of what happened, you are not clear enough for me to give you exactly what should have happened (was the batter at the plate the improper batter, or was the improper batter one of the kids that was already on base?).

 

If the batter that was at the plate was the improper batter, then he should have been replaced with the proper batter, who would have assumed the count.

 

If the improper batter reached base (and is the runner on first in the scenario that you gave us), then the defensive team has to point it out before the first pitch is thrown to the ensuing batter. Once that pitch has been thrown, play simply continues as if the batter that is up is the proper batter.

 

There is a lot more to it than that, but without knowing which player was the proper batter, and where he was (first, second, third, in the dugout?) it would simply become a short novel to give you the possibilities.

 

From the site "Baseball Almanac":

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/rulemenu.shtml

 

Below, is the rule for batting out of order. It should be the same for any age group of baseball, from Little League through Major League Baseball (it is one of the rules that obtain, regardless of level).

 

6.07 BATTING OUT OF TURN.

 

(a) A batter shall be called out, on appeal, when he fails to bat in his proper turn, and another batter completes a time at bat in his place. (1) The proper batter may take his place in the batter's box at any time before the improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and any balls and strikes shall be counted in the proper batter's time at bat.

 

(b) When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and the defensive team appeals to the umpire before the first pitch to the next batter of either team, or before any play or attempted play, the umpire shall (1) declare the proper batter out; and (2) nullify any advance or score made because of a ball batted by the improper batter or because of the improper batter's advance to first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise.

 

NOTE: If a runner advances, while the improper batter is at bat, on a stolen base, balk, wild pitch or passed ball, such advance is legal.

 

© When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and a pitch is made to the next batter of either team before an appeal is made, the improper batter thereby becomes the proper batter, and the results of his time at bat become legal.

 

(d) (1) When the proper batter is called out because he has failed to bat in turn, the next batter shall be the batter whose name follows that of the proper batter thus called out;

 

(2) When an improper batter becomes a proper batter because no appeal is made before the next pitch, the next batter shall be the batter whose name follows that of such legalized improper batter. The instant an improper batter's actions are legalized, the batting order picks up with the name following that of the legalized improper batter. The umpire shall not direct the attention of any person to the presence in the batter's box of an improper batter. This rule is designed to require constant vigilance by the players and managers of both teams. There are two fundamentals to keep in mind: When a player bats out of turn, the proper batter is the player called out. If an improper batter bats and reaches base or is out and no appeal is made before a pitch to the next batter, or before any play or attempted play, that improper batter is considered to have batted in proper turn and establishes the order that is to follow.

 

APPROVED RULING

 

To illustrate various situations arising from batting out of turn, assume a first inning batting order as follows: Abel Baker Charles Daniel Edward Frank George Hooker Irwin.

PLAY (1). Baker bats. With the count 2 balls and 1 strike, (a) the offensive team discovers the error or (b) the defensive team appeals. RULING: In either case, Abel replaces Baker, with the count on him 2 balls and 1 strike.

PLAY (2). Baker bats and doubles. The defensive team appeals (a) immediately or (b) after a pitch to Charles. RULING: (a) Abel is called out and Baker is the proper batter; (b) Baker stays on second and Charles is the proper batter.

PLAY (3). Abel walks. Baker walks. Charles forces Baker. Edward bats in Daniel's turn. While Edward is at bat, Abel scores and Charles goes to second on a wild pitch. Edward grounds out, sending Charles to third. The defensive team appeals (a) immediately or (b) after a pitch to Daniel. RULING: (a) Abel's run counts and Charles is entitled to second base since these advances were not made because of the improper batter batting a ball or advancing to first base. Charles must return to second base because his advance to third resulted from the improper batter batting a ball. Daniel is called out, and Edward is the proper batter; (b) Abel's run counts and Charles stays on third. The proper batter is Frank.

PLAY (4). With the bases full and two out. Hooker bats in Frank's turn, and triples, scoring three runs. The defensive team appeals (a) immediately, or (b) after a pitch to George. RULING: (a) Frank is called out and no runs score. George is the proper batter to lead off the second inning; (b) Hooker stays on third and three runs score. Irwin is the proper batter.

PLAY (5). After Play (4) (b) above, George continues at bat. (a) Hooker is picked off third base for the third out, or (b) George flies out, and no appeal is made. Who is the proper leadoff batter in the second inning? RULING: (a) Irwin. He became the proper batter as soon as the first pitch to George legalized Hooker's triple; (b) Hooker. When no appeal was made, the first pitch to the leadoff batter of the opposing team legalized George's time at bat.

PLAY (6). Daniel walks and Abel comes to bat. Daniel was an improper batter, and if an appeal is made before the first pitch to Abel, Abel is out, Daniel is removed from base, and Baker is the proper batter. There is no appeal, and a pitch is made to Abel. Daniel's walk is now legalized, and Edward thereby becomes the proper batter. Edward can replace Abel at any time before Abel is put out or becomes a runner. He does not do so. Abel flies out, and Baker comes to bat. Abel was an improper batter, and if an appeal is made before the first pitch to Baker, Edward is out, and the proper batter is Frank. There is no appeal, and a pitch is made to Baker. Abel's out is now legalized, and the proper batter is Baker. Baker walks. Charles is the proper batter. Charles flies out. Now Daniel is the proper batter, but he is on second base. Who is the proper batter? RULING: The proper batter is Edward. When the proper batter is on base, he is passed over, and the following batter becomes the proper batter.

 

 

Good luck,

Frances

How did you guys come up with "3 outs, inning over"?

 

I realize many/most Knothole umps do not know the exact wording of the rule but I'd think there would be a better "compromise" than that.

Wow Frances, Now that's an explanation. If the error was caught before the current batter's turn was up, the correct batter enters with the same c When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and the defensive team appeals to the umpire before the first pitch to the next batter of either team, or before any play or attempted play, the umpire shall (1) declare the proper batter out; and (2) nullify any advance or score made because of a ball batted by the improper batter or because of the improper batter's advance to first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise.