But that's exactly the point. A Club coach... yes, even a paid, non -parent Club coach... doesn't always beat the alternative. We've all seen plenty to know that's the case.

 

That is what I was saying. IF the alternative was a bad school coach, or a good club coach w/ kids on the team, you take the good coach. I didn't read it as a slight of teachers who coach. Like you said, both high school and college sports programs have a million examples of teachers who were the amazing coaches and knew their stuff. I was just trying to clarify how I read it.

While I don't necessarily agree with all of what you say, I agree that the club ball influence on parents seeking scholarships for their kids is way the hell overboard.

 

I'm sure a few of the club/select/travel/competitive team apologists on here will howl, but from what I've seen in the prep sports business is that the overwhelming majority of these parents are going to be severely disappointed when the best offer their kid gets is to play JV for an NAIA school on a partial.

 

And, when they get the bill they get for their kid's school, after grant/scholarship money is taken out, they'll realize they'd spend as much if they just sent their kid to UK, WKU, UofL, EKU or wherever.

 

They'll also usually find all that money they spent on gas, hotel rooms, team fees, road meals, etc., over the years was a bit of a waste and would've been better spent on a proper college fund.

 

 

Not every player/parent that goes the club/select/travel/competitive route has scholarships top of mind. I know many kids who simply want to play with kids of a similar skill level instead of playing rec level soccer and being frustrated by that level of play and who have no desire to play beyond high school. As for being an apologist, as you put it, why would someone have to apologize for giving their child an opportunity to reach their highest potential?

Not every player/parent that goes the club/select/travel/competitive route has scholarships top of mind. I know many kids who simply want to play with kids of a similar skill level instead of playing rec level soccer and being frustrated by that level of play and who have no desire to play beyond high school. As for being an apologist, as you put it, why would someone have to apologize for giving their child an opportunity to reach their highest potential?

 

I haven't seen many parents, and I believe that we were lucky in our experience so far, who see high level club as a clear path to a scholarship. I, personally, tell my boys that no matter how far soccer goes, the important lesson that they are learning from tryouts for clubs and ODP and playing at a decently high level is learning to compete. As I've noticed, that is a quality that a lot of young kids are missing here in the work force. There are cheaper ways to learn that lesson, but they enjoy learning it this way.

I haven't seen many parents, and I believe that we were lucky in our experience so far, who see high level club as a clear path to a scholarship. I, personally, tell my boys that no matter how far soccer goes, the important lesson that they are learning from tryouts for clubs and ODP and playing at a decently high level is learning to compete. As I've noticed, that is a quality that a lot of young kids are missing here in the work force. There are cheaper ways to learn that lesson, but they enjoy learning it this way.

 

I could not agree more. Sure, we could do other things on summer vacations or spend the money elsewhere, but we enjoy the travel and the community of the team and the kids make friendships and learn lessons that will last for a lifetime.

High school sports and high school kids would benefit if anyone paid money to coach for a high school was not allowed to coach AAU, club, or any other orgainization name.

High school sports and high school kids would benefit if anyone paid money to coach for a high school was not allowed to coach AAU, club, or any other orgainization name.

 

Kids and schools would be missing out on a lot of top quality coaches. If coaching is their passion and it is what they do for a living, few could make ends meet on just what they are paid for coaching high school sports.

Kids and schools would be missing out on a lot of top quality coaches. If coaching is their passion and it is what they do for a living, few could make ends meet on just what they are paid for coaching high school sports.

 

I don't care. The schools might miss out on a few coaches but the kids wouldn't. They can still play for super coach in AAU,Club, etc.

The negatives far outweigh the benefits. I also disagree with the "ton of top quality coaches" part. Depends on the sport and the part of the state you're talking about.

So if the best coaches in the area cannot coach high school, the high school kids do not miss out on something? How does that work? And just to clarify, I never mentioned the weight of the coaches.

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It would be especially beneficial for lesser skilled high school players to be exposed to top quality coaching. Learning from the best is usually not a bad thing.

It would be especially beneficial for lesser skilled high school players to be exposed to top quality coaching. Learning from the best is usually not a bad thing.

 

You don't read other peoples posts do you? You just post whatever you want regardless of what the other person has said? What are you talking about "weight of coaches? Please use the quote feature and show me where I said a kid can't play for what you say is the best coach? I said that coach shouldn't coach both teams. You are also assuming as fact that the club coach is better and that is not factual in every case.

You don't read other peoples posts do you? You just post whatever you want regardless of what the other person has said? What are you talking about "weight of coaches? Please use the quote feature and show me where I said a kid can't play for what you say is the best coach? I said that coach shouldn't coach both teams. You are also assuming as fact that the club coach is better and that is not factual in every case.

 

You said a "ton" of top quality coaches. I said a "lot". So you must be referring to their weight, right? ;0) And if the best coach happens to be a club coach, but you say a club coach should not also coach high school, then some kids will miss out on being coached by the best, right? Finally, please don't assume to know what I assume. I never said that every club coach is better than every school coach, did I?

So, you just decided to get smart about some stuff i didn't actually say. I got it now.

So, you did not say that you don't care that some kids will miss out on being coached by the best? Can you point to where I said that a club coach is better in every case? And FYI,

ton:

/tən/ noun

1. a unit of weight equal to 2,000 pounds avoirdupois (907.19 kg)

 

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Bye Felicia

In Ohio they stop this by only allowing five players from a high school to play for the same club team. Most club coaches make to much money to coach hs or they switch genders to avoid conflicts. No matter what anyone says there is conflicts of interest whether it is demonstrated or just felt by those not on the club team.

 

 

Seems a little harsh, but if you are that committed, well then. Is that what Caitlyn Jenner did so he/she could coach one of the kids?