March 3, 201511 yr $105 million wasted away, but he's so worth it because he threw 2 no hitters. And now Cueto probably isn't affordable. But hey, at least they got their average #3 starter in Bailey locked up.
March 3, 201511 yr $105 million wasted away, but he's so worth it because he threw 2 no hitters. And now Cueto probably isn't affordable. But hey, at least they got their average #3 starter in Bailey locked up. It's really not complex. The market dictates how much a player is worth. The fact is, the Reds paid slightly less than market value for Bailey. The contract was then, and still is, a good deal for the Reds. They put him on the trade block and they'd have teams lining up with offers.
March 3, 201511 yr It's really not complex. The market dictates how much a player is worth. The fact is, the Reds paid slightly less than market value for Bailey. The contract was then, and still is, a good deal for the Reds. They put him on the trade block and they'd have teams lining up with offers. Had he went free agent and signed with someone else he would have had a way bigger payday.
March 3, 201511 yr Had he went free agent and signed with someone else he would have had a way bigger payday. Most likely yes, however the few projections I saw were around the $110-$115 over 6 years range. Which, either way, makes it a good deal for the Reds.
March 3, 201511 yr It's really not complex. The market dictates how much a player is worth. The fact is, the Reds paid slightly less than market value for Bailey. The contract was then, and still is, a good deal for the Reds. They put him on the trade block and they'd have teams lining up with offers. Nobody is going to line up for him. What in the world do you all see in this guy? And don't use his "potential" as an answer because he's passed his "potential" as an excuse for being just above average stage. Its not his stats that deserve this kind of money. So what exactly am I missing? The market dictates, but who are you comparing his contract at the time to? Kershaw? Bailey isn't even in the same ballpark as Kershaw. So what exactly is it?
March 3, 201511 yr Nobody is going to line up for him. What in the world do you all see in this guy? And don't use his "potential" as an answer because he's passed his "potential" as an excuse for being just above average stage. Its not his stats that deserve this kind of money. So what exactly am I missing? The market dictates, but who are you comparing his contract at the time to? Kershaw? Bailey isn't even in the same ballpark as Kershaw. So what exactly is it? :ohbrother:
March 3, 201511 yr Nobody is going to line up for him. What in the world do you all see in this guy? And don't use his "potential" as an answer because he's passed his "potential" as an excuse for being just above average stage. Its not his stats that deserve this kind of money. So what exactly am I missing? The market dictates, but who are you comparing his contract at the time to? Kershaw? Bailey isn't even in the same ballpark as Kershaw. So what exactly is it? I'm comparing it to what the market was projecting for him. He got pretty much the exact same as James Shields. Pretty solid comparison. Shields is a little better, but also 5 years older. And what are you even mentioning Kershaw for? He's getting an average of $30.7M a year. That's over 12M a year more than Bailey.
March 3, 201511 yr :ohbrother: I just don't see where he's worth it. I guess it all comes down to a matter of an opinion.
March 3, 201511 yr Nobody is going to line up for him. What in the world do you all see in this guy? And don't use his "potential" as an answer because he's passed his "potential" as an excuse for being just above average stage. Its not his stats that deserve this kind of money. So what exactly am I missing? The market dictates, but who are you comparing his contract at the time to? Kershaw? Bailey isn't even in the same ballpark as Kershaw. So what exactly is it? Kershaw got double the amount of money Bailey got.
March 3, 201511 yr Kershaw got double the amount of money Bailey got. Don't let facts get in the way HT...
March 3, 201511 yr I'm comparing it to what the market was projecting for him. He got pretty much the exact same as James Shields. Pretty solid comparison. Shields is a little better, but also 5 years older. And what are you even mentioning Kershaw for? He's getting an average of $30.7M a year. That's over 12M a year more than Bailey. Didn't Homer get his deal the same year Kershaw signed his monster extension?
March 3, 201511 yr Didn't Homer get his deal the same year Kershaw signed his monster extension? Homer Bailey rhp 6 years/$105M (2014-19), plus 2020 option Clayton Kershaw lhp 7 years/$215M (2014-20)
March 3, 201511 yr Serious question, do you think these guys have their agents just randomly come up with numbers to start the negotiating process? They use data analysis, research, and trends to determine a target price that they'll be able to get on the open market. When the Reds and Bailey agreed to their deal most national pundits said it was a good deal for both sides, a slight discount from what he would've gotten had he hit the market. Do you really think these guys just make that stuff up?
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