Out of town......sounds like a nail biter......."

 

How did the pks go......was it a save or a miss? Early in the shots or late? Great save by keep or average.....although I consider anyone that can hurl their body through the air, land on their hip and jump right up and do it again....amazing these days....did it once in a game 15 years ago.....tore my rotator cuff.......

 

Also.....pks at this stage of the season helps both teams...win or lose ....by giving experience...

 

Details please....

 

Scott was first team to attempt. Brossart keeper saved their second shot. All other nine shots found the netting, for a 5-4 advantage. The Scott keeper had a hand on the final Brossart attempt, but not enough to stop it from rolling beyond the line. It was that kind of game, and that close.

According to NFHS rules, "Whistle used for kickoff, penalty kicks, and to signal play stoppage such as fouls, injuries, substitutions and to signal restart after substitutions, injuries and time stoppage. Also when a card is given and on encroachment. Discretionary and if needed when ball goes out of play. Signals same as NCAA plus windup motion to start clock". In this case, there was no substitution, injury or time stoppage.

 

Often times, a restart can be immediate. A keeper can set up his wall, as long as the offensive player allows it. From my vantage point, the offensive player simply recognized an opportunity, and capitalized.

 

If the Center thought it improper, he would have nullified the play (which he did, on several other restarts, where players on both teams attempted to improve a spot).

 

Well, one of the refs can weigh in maybe. Have never really seen the situation you describe from what I can recall. Normally when a wall is set up the ref will instruct the wall on where the 10 yards is so that they are the proper distance from the ball because they are almost always encroaching on the required 10 yards. That stoppage and encroachment requires a whistle to re-start play. Again, not having seen it, it's hard to say for sure. I've just never seen a keeper setting his wall and as soon as he moves to the other side the ball is shot without a whistle. Perhaps the Scott players set their wall outside of the 10 yard mark so there was never a stoppage to get them the proper distance from the ball?

I have never seen a situation like justsayin has described. A unfair advantage for the striker to kick as soon as he's ready and without a whistle. Unfair to the keep as he has no warning. Very strange.

Scott was first team to attempt. Brossart keeper saved their second shot. All other nine shots found the netting, for a 5-4 advantage. The Scott keeper had a hand on the final Brossart attempt, but not enough to stop it from rolling beyond the line. It was that kind of game, and that close.

 

Thanks for the details.......tough for the one that missed.......hopefuly a growing experience....

No it was not the one from Ryle, he may talk a little more than needed but you certainly can not compare him to the announcer from Ryle. We greatly appreciate him coming and doing our games at Scott as his son graduated last year. I believe he is simply trying to have a little fun with it and I don't blame him for that at all.

 

Not picking on you oldtime I know you weren't there.

 

My sincerest apologies for the comparison.......I've done it a few times for soccer and a bunch for baseball......mostly because I get to play my own music........

 

Ring of Fire....by Ol' Johnny......always makes the list.

If the attacking team does not ask for ten yards they may start without a whistle as long as there is no injuries or cards which would cause the ref to stop the watch. They do not have to wait for the defense to set there wall.

If the attacking team does not ask for ten yards they may start without a whistle as long as there is no injuries or cards which would cause the ref to stop the watch. They do not have to wait for the defense to set there wall.

 

I conferred with a ref, and he confirmed this statement. In this particular situation, the offense did not ask for the ten yards, so they were free to initiate the play at their discretion. The offensive player simply measured the situation in front of him, and when the opportunity presented itself, he capitalized. It all happened rather quickly (the spot of the ball, the attempt to construct the wall, the movement of the keeper off the near post, the ensuing shot). The Scott keeper, nor the defense, protested the play. And as earlier referenced, if the Center felt the play was illegal, he would have nullified the goal and ordered a restart.

 

As I originally stated, simply a clever play.

I conferred with a ref, and he confirmed this statement. In this particular situation, the offense did not ask for the ten yards, so they were free to initiate the play at their discretion. The offensive player simply measured the situation in front of him, and when the opportunity presented itself, he capitalized. It all happened rather quickly (the spot of the ball, the attempt to construct the wall, the movement of the keeper off the near post, the ensuing shot). The Scott keeper, nor the defense, protested the play. And as earlier referenced, if the Center felt the play was illegal, he would have nullified the goal and ordered a restart.

 

As I originally stated, simply a clever play.

 

 

So what is the defense of this? To stand close to the ball and prevent the quick start until the ref moves them back 10 yards....right? Well, that is an instant yellow now.......

 

Can the defense ask for the ref to step off 10 ? it would stop play and let them set up...... Have never thought about that...

I conferred with a ref, and he confirmed this statement. In this particular situation, the offense did not ask for the ten yards, so they were free to initiate the play at their discretion. The offensive player simply measured the situation in front of him, and when the opportunity presented itself, he capitalized. It all happened rather quickly (the spot of the ball, the attempt to construct the wall, the movement of the keeper off the near post, the ensuing shot). The Scott keeper, nor the defense, protested the play. And as earlier referenced, if the Center felt the play was illegal, he would have nullified the goal and ordered a restart.

 

As I originally stated, simply a clever play.

Judging by the quality, or lack thereof, of the refs I've seen so far this year, nothing surprises me. To say that if the ref felt the play was illegal he would have nullified the goal is just comical. The majority of center and line refs don't seem to even know the correct rules, much less follow them. It gives the few good refs out there a bad name.

I conferred with a ref, and he confirmed this statement. In this particular situation, the offense did not ask for the ten yards, so they were free to initiate the play at their discretion. The offensive player simply measured the situation in front of him, and when the opportunity presented itself, he capitalized. It all happened rather quickly (the spot of the ball, the attempt to construct the wall, the movement of the keeper off the near post, the ensuing shot). The Scott keeper, nor the defense, protested the play. And as earlier referenced, if the Center felt the play was illegal, he would have nullified the goal and ordered a restart.

 

As I originally stated, simply a clever play.

 

I'd agree with this as well then. If the defense did not set the wall in such a position that the attacking team was forced to stop play and ask for 10 yards, especially from that close to goal, then that is their error and just poor coaching. To answer OTB's issue, no ref is going to issue a yellow to players who encroach by standing too close to a free kick that close to goal. The yellow cards seen for encroachment stem from players jumping in front of free kicks at the last second from out of nowhere.

 

If a defense is going to let an offensive player freely take a kick from that close in without stopping the play then that is their mistake. Sounds like a good play by the Brossart kid.

I'd agree with this as well then. If the defense did not set the wall in such a position that the attacking team was forced to stop play and ask for 10 yards, especially from that close to goal, then that is their error and just poor coaching. To answer OTB's issue, no ref is going to issue a yellow to players who encroach by standing too close to a free kick that close to goal. The yellow cards seen for encroachment stem from players jumping in front of free kicks at the last second from out of nowhere.

If a defense is going to let an offensive player freely take a kick from that close in without stopping the play then that is their mistake. Sounds like a good play by the Brossart kid.

 

 

Happened in Soccerama twice.......CCH and one in Scott

Happened in Soccerama twice.......CCH and one in Scott

 

Yes, both players jumped in front of a free kick that was being taken quickly. Had they merely stood there, they would have been instructed to move back. Merely standing in front of the ball in close proximity is done in every game. Jumping up at the last second to block a kick is a different matter.

AH.......that makes sense.

They showed a great video in the ussf class a few years back about the wall. What was allowed and what isn't. Helped clear things up. Seems like everyone on here is saying those same things.