Feel free to roll your eye... It's people like you that IMO drum up and validate something I hardly consider legit like PTSD... You want to roll your eyes consider this, then you'll see where I place you as a sympathizer and thus enabler...

 

PTSD, IMO has more to due with our weak society and our inability to compartmentalize the things experienced in war...

 

 

100% pure ignorance.

100% pure ignorance.

 

What makes you so sure you're right?

 

I think ignorance is how people always blame someone/something other than the person solely responsible. First off don't blame it on PTSD when you have know idea what this guys history is. Second, don't blame the government for stopping his meds... How about blaming the fool that let's his entire existence hinge on the acts of his girlfriend... That's ignorance... Putting your children in danger is ignorance... But justifying or sympathizing will him is worse.

100% pure ignorance.

 

And just so you get it straight. Make no mistake about it I've experienced war and was part of the Marine units that made the initial push through Iraq to Baghdad international airport. We went weeks without showers and slept when we could, in shifts of course. Things like good sleep, hot meals, phone calls home, showers or down time wasn't an option, but we knew what we were their to do and we all bought in and did it. I never knew or heard of PTSD till some navy doc started screening us as we came out, it was a laughable process that most considered to be a handout. I knew no Marines that ever had or claimed to have PTSD...

What's your experience???

And just so you get it straight. Make no mistake about it I've experienced war and was part of the Marine units that made the initial push through Iraq to Baghdad international airport. We went weeks without showers and slept when we could, in shifts of course. Things like good sleep, hot meals, phone calls home, showers or down time wasn't an option, but we knew what we were their to do and we all bought in and did it. I never knew or heard of PTSD till some navy doc started screening us as we came out, it was a laughable process that most considered to be a handout. I knew no Marines that ever had or claimed to have PTSD...

What's your experience???

 

First, thank you for the sacrifices you made. I mean that sincerely.

 

I have not made those sacrifices so you have my ultimate respect.

 

With that it's 100% ignorance on your part to say "I don't have it therefore no one does."

 

What's your medical training experience? What makes you qualified to say it's not legit?

First' date=' thank you for the sacrifices you made. I mean that sincerely. I have not made those sacrifices so you have my ultimate respect. With that it's 100% ignorance on your part to say "I don't have it therefore no one does." What's your medical training experience? What makes you qualified to say it's not legit?[/quote']

I'd say my experience shared with the warriors I was blessed to be around (pre and post war) triumphs you catching the last episode of 60 mins....

All I stated is don't be so quick to to lay the actions of some "nut" at the feet of PTSD, or blame the government for stopping his meds... yes it's my belief that PTSD is in large part given as a gift to those that wish to claim it, in large part it's a handout that many can't refuse. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll admit that, but your certainly in no place to prove it...

I'd say my experience shared with the warriors I was blessed to be around (pre and post war) triumphs you catching the last episode of 60 mins....

All I stated is don't be so quick to to lay the actions of some "nut" at the feet of PTSD, or blame the government for stopping his meds... yes it's my belief that PTSD is in large part given as a gift to those that wish to claim it, in large part it's a handout that many can't refuse. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll admit that, but your certainly in no place to prove it...

 

In the spirit of Christmas I'll say this as nicely as possible.

 

Chief, I never said this guy was definitely suffering from PTSD. I said he may just be nuts BUT this situation should make us at least conscious of that fact that MANY returning veterans are suffering. Macho men like you may be too tough (or insecure) to admit that it is an issue. That's fine. Roll how you wish.

 

Secondly, don't insult me with the "60 minutes" crap. Your simple-minded lack-of-educated-or-intelligent thinking tells me that you are incapable of keeping up with me in a debate that requires one to have actually studied an issue. You think this is the first time I've read / looked into PTSD? Wake up, rookie.

 

The ONE thing you said that had some validity is that I am in no place to PROVE it. You are right on that. However, you've proven that knee-jerk cliched macho talk is your mode of thinking. I'll trust those that have some education in the area of mental illness over your baseless claims.

 

Again, thank you for making the sacrifice but you're doing a disservice to your fellow "warriors" who really are suffering. You've essentially called them a liar and weak when , in reality, they are as tough as you are. Is that the USMC way?

A friend of mine is very high in the Army and the KY National Guard. I sent him a note asking if he had know of this guy. Didn't mention his name. My friend was not familiar with the standoff but he said when I said there was a standoff involving someone who used to be in the guard this guy was the first guy that came to mind.

Feel free to roll your eye... It's people like you that IMO drum up and validate something I hardly consider legit like PTSD... You want to roll your eyes consider this, then you'll see where I place you as a sympathizer and thus enabler...

 

PTSD, IMO has more to due with our weak society and our inability to compartmentalize the things experienced in war...

A couple things to consider when talking up PTSD;

1) Our mommy society has softened up the training methods used by the military to the point it's very hard to weed out the physically and mentally weak.

2) The lack of good jobs has pushed a lot of normally unwilling people into the ranks of the military, those people will be hard to get to buy in to our purpose overseas. That lack of belief, that we are doing what is necessary is what further screws with their mind.

3) I have and will always be against deploying the national guard (any reserve unit for that matter) overseas. I don't think you can expect someone who plays soldier one weekend a month and two weeks a year to preform well. I have seen it first hand, they are not up to par mentally or militarily. It was a common belief and practice of my unit to avoid guard units when possible. It's not their fault at all and I don't intend to devalue their service, but, to think you can pull a man out of "normal" society one week and have home overseas the next is foolish.

Dude, there is not much any of us can say for you. I will ignore your attacks on me, as I can see they come from a disturbed place. I wish you well.

 

And since you appear to be uninformed on the matter, I will share with you that PTSD, in all its many presentations, has been around as long as there has been war.

In the spirit of Christmas I'll say this as nicely as possible.

 

Chief, I never said this guy was definitely suffering from PTSD. I said he may just be nuts BUT this situation should make us at least conscious of that fact that MANY returning veterans are suffering. Macho men like you may be too tough (or insecure) to admit that it is an issue. That's fine. Roll how you wish.

 

Secondly, don't insult me with the "60 minutes" crap. Your simple-minded lack-of-educated-or-intelligent thinking tells me that you are incapable of keeping up with me in a debate that requires one to have actually studied an issue. You think this is the first time I've read / looked into PTSD? Wake up, rookie.

 

The ONE thing you said that had some validity is that I am in no place to PROVE it. You are right on that. However, you've proven that knee-jerk cliched macho talk is your mode of thinking. I'll trust those that have some education in the area of mental illness over your baseless claims.

 

Again, thank you for making the sacrifice but you're doing a disservice to your fellow "warriors" who really are suffering. You've essentially called them a liar and weak when , in reality, they are as tough as you are. Is that the USMC way?

Well said! 100% accurate on all points. :thumb:

 

People need to understand that PTSD is not just about war. PTSD can arise from any traumatic situation that exceeds a person's ability to cope. You don't have to be some gung ho Colonel Jessup type to be stricken with the condition. A helpless little girl can be affected just as easily, and just as tragically.

 

It is the very attitudes and misconceptions that we've seen expressed here that are keeping us from helping more men and women with PTSD. There is this myth that it doesn't exist, and that all the debilitating symptoms are simply a sign of weakness or poor character. That is nonsense, and we need to shed light on the truth!

 

Here's a link to an article about a real Iraq hero who lost his life to PTSD. It speaks for itself:

 

http://www.armytimes.com/article/20080703/NEWS/807030320/Medic-in-famous-photo-dies-after-PTSD-struggle

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In the spirit of Christmas I'll say this as nicely as possible. Chief' date=' I never said this guy was definitely suffering from PTSD. I said he may just be nuts BUT this situation should make us at least conscious of that fact that MANY returning veterans are suffering. Macho men like you may be too tough (or insecure) to admit that it is an issue. That's fine. Roll how you wish. Secondly, don't insult me with the "60 minutes" crap. Your simple-minded lack-of-educated-or-intelligent thinking tells me that you are incapable of keeping up with me in a debate that requires one to have actually studied an issue. You think this is the first time I've read / looked into PTSD? Wake up, rookie. The ONE thing you said that had some validity is that I am in no place to PROVE it. You are right on that. However, you've proven that knee-jerk cliched macho talk is your mode of thinking. I'll trust those that have some education in the area of mental illness over your baseless claims. Again, thank you for making the sacrifice but you're doing a disservice to your fellow "warriors" who really are suffering. You've essentially called them a liar and weak when , in reality, they are as tough as you are. Is that the USMC way?[/quote']

 

 

Well said. But as I expected, lacks real content. I never said PTSD can't and doesn't exist but I assure you it's not the epidemic it's been made out to be. I find it strange that the guys that spent there time hooking and jabbing aren't the guys that are most commonly claiming PTSD, instead it's some guy that served as a road guard or some other capacity that in reality is a far cry from something most would consider "traumatic". Then guys like you and Birdsfan want to throw it out there every time some veteran nut job goes against the grain of society... That's the true disservice... I personally refuse to accept that this guys life and the lives he put in jeopardy are the result of our wars... Like I said, I may have the wrong stance but "because you've read about it more than once" means nothing to me... And maybe I'm not the word smith you are but that doesn't mean you know more about this or have any experience to have any opinion that's your own.... In fact you have no basis to have your own opinion, you are in reality, uninformed and I'm sure that upsets you... Maybe we can talk about the epidemic of ADD and ADHD next.... I hear it's sweeping the country.

Dude' date=' there is not much any of us can say for you. I will ignore your attacks on me, as I can see they come from a disturbed place. I wish you well. And since you appear to be uninformed on the matter, I will share with you that PTSD, in all its many presentations, has been around as long as there has been war.[/quote']

 

Wow, you really are talented... A disturbed place? I actually have a great life and I enjoy everyday of my existence, I have a beautiful family, home, dog and cat... If there was a way to compete our happiness, I'd take you on...

What you may fail to understand is my opinion is one shared by many but spoken by few. I understand and I'm fine with being the target of the sympathizers such as your self... Wether you know it or not it's widely believed among the ranks of the military that PTSD is overblown and not near the epidemic it's been made out to be. You should consider that when a nut job does what nut jobs do before you throw out PTSD...

A friend of mine is very high in the Army and the KY National Guard. I sent him a note asking if he had know of this guy. Didn't mention his name. My friend was not familiar with the standoff but he said when I said there was a standoff involving someone who used to be in the guard this guy was the first guy that came to mind.

 

 

I know I'm not worthy of debate with you Captain, and I'm sure you've already done your due diligence in the area of research, but consider the following articles and editorials as reading material. If you deem them worthy and on par with your intellect of course...

 

http://www.hutchnews.com/Westernfront/wfrogers

 

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/shortsharpscience/2008/03/realty-check-for-post-traumatic-stress.html

Well said. But as I expected, lacks real content. I never said PTSD can't and doesn't exist but I assure you it's not the epidemic it's been made out to be. I find it strange that the guys that spent there time hooking and jabbing aren't the guys that are most commonly claiming PTSD, instead it's some guy that served as a road guard or some other capacity that in reality is a far cry from something most would consider "traumatic". Then guys like you and Birdsfan want to throw it out there every time some veteran nut job goes against the grain of society... That's the true disservice... I personally refuse to accept that this guys life and the lives he put in jeopardy are the result of our wars... Like I said, I may have the wrong stance but "because you've read about it more than once" means nothing to me... And maybe I'm not the word smith you are but that doesn't mean you know more about this or have any experience to have any opinion that's your own.... In fact you have no basis to have your own opinion, you are in reality, uninformed and I'm sure that upsets you... Maybe we can talk about the epidemic of ADD and ADHD next.... I hear it's sweeping the country.

 

I don't need experience to understand it's an issue. I've never been raped but understand that it often times presents many emotional issues and long-term problems. You (nor I) are trained in understanding mental illness and mental issues. Yet because you and your boys didn't suffer it then it must not exist like the professionals claim. That tells me all I need to know about your ability to think logically.

 

Again, and I'll type slowly, I never said this cat suffered from PTSD. Pay attention.

I don't need experience to understand it's an issue. I've never been raped but understand that it often times presents many emotional issues and long-term problems. You (nor I) are trained in understanding mental illness and mental issues. Yet because you and your boys didn't suffer it then it must not exist like the professionals claim. That tells me all I need to know about your ability to think logically. Again' date=' and I'll type slowly, I never said this cat suffered from PTSD. Pay attention.[/quote']

 

You've showed your lack of confidence in this debate and still continue to do so by bringing in issues like rape, poor analogy that shows your inability to debate any further... Carry on and we'll just act like there's no room for someone on the opposite side of your opinion. It won't be long and this debate will be mainstream due to the excess in which it's being claimed and diagnosed, maybe then you'll see the other side or at least understand there is another side... To put it simple, I expected more from you and there's no other way to say it, than you just didn't live up to your self proclaimed hype in your first few post. For a guy that post 30 times a day (that's pro status right), one could have justifiable expected more... Rookie out....

...something I hardly consider legit like PTSD...

 

I never said PTSD can't and doesn't exist.

Got it.