Middlesboro can beat anybody in the region, except South Laurel, when they are hitting their 3s. I believe they played both Corbin and Bell extremely close. They can also be pretty bad at times, but not the worst in the region.

 

I'd put Clay second and move Cawood ahead of Jackson County. Who has Jackson beat to put them ahead of Cawood?

 

I'd have Cumberland or Harlan 10th, but that's probably my Harlan County bias. I'll see Lynn Camp next week against Harlan, so that may change my mind.

 

On the bolded: So then why havent they??? They have had games where they were "hitting their 3's", but have yet to come away with the win. I know everyone thinks I'm just a total M'boro hater, but the fact remains...... we can all say M'boro can beat any team in the region when they are hot, but ya know what, it hasnt happened, and they have been hot.

 

Playing teams close doesnt make up for all the L's. They have played Corbin and Bell tough. However, Corbin still won by 8 (at M'boro, which isnt easy to do if you are Corbin), and Bell also blew M'boro out early in the season, 99-71. I dont think M'boro playing any teams close has anything to do with how good M'boro is, but how terrible the 13th region can be at times. A WHOLE LOT of parity, where any team can beat any other team on any given night.

 

Once again..... let me make myself clear. I said POSSIBLY the worst, AS IN one of the worst, not neccessarily THE worst. Sure there are a few teams worse then M'boro, but very few.

I like ukbellco14's rankings better than Les's.

 

1. SL

2. B'ville

3. Clay

4. Corbin

5. Bell

6. North

7. P'ville

 

Maybe flip 4 & 5.

I'd say so, as long as those Tigers are rated high...

I like ukbellco14's rankings better than Les's.

 

1. SL

2. B'ville

3. Clay

4. Corbin

5. Bell

6. North

7. P'ville

 

Maybe flip 4 & 5.

 

Not so sure, considering Corbin has the head to head win. But WOW..... if you are serious, and not being sarcastic, then we have agreed for like the 2nd time in the history of BGP.

I'd say so, as long as those Tigers are rated high...

 

They should be rated ahead of North.

 

I was the guy all season long who felt NL was better then Clay, and on paper they might be. But Clay proved it where it mattered most, on the court. For North to be ahead of Clay or Corbin is pretty laughable considering NL has losses to both of those teams.

 

I am not saying NL cant beat either of those teams, because I think all 3 of those teams are pretty even and they could all beat each other. However, Corbin and Clay have the wins to boast, and NL doesnt.

 

Heck, its not like SKINGPIG has Clay 3 or 4 spots higher then you do. He has them one spot higher, at 3 instead of 4. He just has North a whole lot lower.

Man, you don't always go by who beat who. Take a look at when it was and maybe, just maybe a team is playing better than another team at the present time.

I guess since Kentucky beat West Virginia earlier in the year, then the Cats should be rated higher in the polls.

The same goes for when Kentucky beat Ohio in football a couple of years ago....ooops, my bad, Ohioh University beat the Cats on the grid.

Also North came abck from a double-digit deficit at Clay and only lost by three points.

Play that game on a neutral court and anything can happen.

You just don't like North because the Jags sacked you a couple of times...wait a minute that was Dustin House....okay, that was a low blow I must admit.

I'd say so, as long as those Tigers are rated high...

 

Not so Les. As long as North is rated lower than Clay. JK

I'm just kidding, too. Granted, I haven't seen Clay playing at 100 percent. Swafford was out the Lynn Camp game. Hopefully, he'll be playing tonight against Corbin. I talked to coach Gray a couple of hours agao and he told me both Swafford and Sizemore had the flu and neither ahs practiced since Tuesday.

I'm gonna throw my 2 cents into this bad boy. Both of yalls polls are pretty good and lead to good debate (which polls are supposed to be for).

 

1. South Laurel

2. Clay County

3. Barbourville

4. Corbin

5. North

6. Bell

7. Pineville

8. Cawood

9. Cumberland

10. Harlan

11. Jackson

12. Middlesboro

13. Lynn Camp

14. Redbird

15. Knox Central

16. OBI

17. Whitley

18. Williamsburg

19. Evarts

 

The Bottom 6 I am not too sure of so I'm just going on recollection from what I've read. Needless to say, although I'm sure they give their all, they are just not that good.

That's not too bad coming from a Redhound:)

Man, you don't always go by who beat who. Take a look at when it was and maybe, just maybe a team is playing better than another team at the present time.

I guess since Kentucky beat West Virginia earlier in the year, then the Cats should be rated higher in the polls.

The same goes for when Kentucky beat Ohio in football a couple of years ago....ooops, my bad, Ohioh University beat the Cats on the grid.

Also North came abck from a double-digit deficit at Clay and only lost by three points.

Play that game on a neutral court and anything can happen.

You just don't like North because the Jags sacked you a couple of times...wait a minute that was Dustin House....okay, that was a low blow I must admit.

 

What is Mr. House doing these days??? LOL. I would have loved the chance to get at the Jags..... the Cards preferably, but the Jags would have worked. But thats been soooo long ago I really dont even bother myself with it. Heck, I think the way things turned out, I ended up ...... well you get my point.

 

I find it soooooo funny how you just want to make this soooooo personal. I am not debating HS or college football at all. Those topics are for different forums. If you have a problem with my Log Mountain or UK affiliation feel free to PM me.

 

I totally agree with you on one thing though. You cant just base it off who beat who, and that if you play all these games on the neutral court then anything can happen. However, its probably the only true way to do it unbiasedly.

 

Didnt I say, and quote, "any of those teams could beat any other team on any given night." But that is STILL an IF. I prefer to deal with FACTS, as in what has really happened on the court. Irregardless of the 13th regions parity or how "great" NL is playing right now, Clay and Corbin have the head to head win against NL.

 

Do you really think NL is playing that much better then Bell or Corbin or Clay right now. NL just came off a 7 game losing streak. Bell has won 6, probably will be 7, straight. Vouch, the competition wasnt near as stiff as what NL faced during that losing streak, but thats an excuse. If NL is that much better then the competition should even out.

 

Corbin beat North less then a month ago as one of those 7 straight losses. You really think those two teams have improved or gotten worse that dramatically since then.

 

I could see where you could think NL was playing better then Clay right now, but the good thing about that is we will get to see them head to head in the district, barring an upset.

 

Either way....... NL is ranked too high, irregardless of how good they are playing right now. If they make some noise in the district tourney (as in winning it by defeating Clay) then I think they go back to top 5, but not until then.

To answer a few things: Yes, North Laurel is playing better than Corbin and Bell. Bell will fizzle out just like they always do come March.

And, if you want to go the head-to-head route, then Cawood is over Corbin and Bell over Clay and on and on...

So with that said, North stays in the top 5, well, actually No. 3....By the way, you're arguments are making me like Middlesboro and Stewart Miller even more.

To answer a few things: Yes, North Laurel is playing better than Corbin and Bell. Bell will fizzle out just like they always do come March.

And, if you want to go the head-to-head route, then Cawood is over Corbin and Bell over Clay and on and on...

So with that said, North stays in the top 5, well, actually No. 3....By the way, you're arguments are making me like Middlesboro and Stewart Miller even more.

 

You just love getting off on tangents dont you Les. As far as Miller goes...... like him all you want. I've said a MILLION times, I really hope he gets the shot and deserves it. However, it isnt going to happen. If it does, you can right an article about it. :lol:

 

Bell may fizzle in March (probably will), but we arent talking about March, we are talking about February, in particular this week.

 

About the "who beat who" deal. Bell's loss to Cawood was avenged later in the year, so it really cancels out. Corbins loss to Cawood and Bell's win over Clay are perfect examples why the 13th region is completely full of parity, and could be the most competitive region, apart from the 11th, if not for SL.

 

Considering all we have discussed however, I think you might be partially right. You could rank all these teams a number of different ways and be completely and totally defended in doing so. However, I still stand by the position that NL is ranked too high at this point in time. They won 2 games against sub par teams, and they jump some 3 or 4 spots.

 

Ranking by regional record is really the only unbiased way to do it. In the case that you base rankings off of regional records the top 10 looks like this (per regional record on the KHSAA website):

 

1.) SL 9-0

2.) B'ville 17-1

3.) Clay 9-1

4a.) P'ville 12-3

4b.) Bell Co 11-3

5a.) Cawood 12-4

5b.) NL 2-4

8.) Corbin 9-5

9.) Lynn Camp 10-6

10.) Jackson Co 10-6

 

Not completely accurate IMO, or probably anyones. However, eerily similar. And really demonstrates the parity within the 13th region. 2-8 could all beat each other on any given night.

 

1.) SL 9-0

2.) B'ville 17-1

3.) Clay 9-1

4a.) P'ville 12-3

4b.) Bell Co 11-3

5a.) Cawood 12-4

5b.) NL 2-4

8.) Corbin 9-5

9.) Lynn Camp 10-6

10.) Jackson Co 10-6

 

Not completely accurate IMO, or probably anyones. However, eerily similar. And really demonstrates the parity within the 13th region. 2-8 could all beat each other on any given night.

 

Actually if ya wanna take it a step further, 2-10 in your polls could beat each other on a given night. Pineville and Cawood beat Corbin, Corbin beat bell, Bville barely beat Pineville, Clay beat Pineville, Corbin beat North, Jackson beat Corbin, Lynn Camp beat Jackson and so on. This region this year is crazier than a run over dog. That is the only reason I can see South getting upset. They are clearly the best team far and away but with these teams, anything and I MEAN ANYTHING can happen. It's Wild!

Actually if ya wanna take it a step further, 2-10 in your polls could beat each other on a given night. Pineville and Cawood beat Corbin, Corbin beat bell, Bville barely beat Pineville, Clay beat Pineville, Corbin beat North, Jackson beat Corbin, Lynn Camp beat Jackson and so on. This region this year is crazier than a run over dog. That is the only reason I can see South getting upset. They are clearly the best team far and away but with these teams, anything and I MEAN ANYTHING can happen. It's Wild!

 

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