Let me put my question another way. If you have 125 boys in your school, would you prefer competing for a state title versus 70 schools with less than 150 students or 35 schools with 190 boys?

 

Strictly speaking of your scenerio, I'd take playing the 35 school route every day and twice on Sunday. I'll gladly give up 65 boys total for cutting the number of teams I have to be better than to win state in half.

 

Point of the matter is simple. Less than half of the DI teams will make the playoffs even with the added class. In the other six classes, less than a third will make the playoffs.

 

It's a good move for Ohio that will really only affect the lower enrollment current D1 schools and the competing D2 schools, who will have their bar raised. There will be movement in the other divisions, but nothing earth shattering. IMO D2 in Ohio will get a lot more fun to watch come playoff time beginning in 2013.

Are those three-grade or four-grade figures?

 

3-grade

 

 

Here's the old VI numbers

Division Enrollment Schools

I ...........494+........118

II.......327 to 493....119

III......243 to 326....120

IV......172 to 242....122

V.......120 to 171....116

VI......119 and less..122

Total Schools 717

 

31% of the schools will make the playoffs in the new format. Was 27% in the VI format.

Edited April 16, 201214 yr by coldweatherfan

Great move, hopefully it gets rid of the situations like they had some years ago. There was a Southern Ohio School that had went 9-1 for the season and didnt make the playoffs.

Great move, hopefully it gets rid of the situations like they had some years ago. There was a Southern Ohio School that had went 9-1 for the season and didnt make the playoffs.

 

Ohio playoffs are based off points - not record.

 

You can go 10-0 and not make the playoffs, if you play nothing but cupcakes.

Ohio playoffs are based off points - not record.

 

You can go 10-0 and not make the playoffs, if you play nothing but cupcakes.

 

If I remember correctly it was a situation of 3 teams in the same conference all had 9-1 records, 2 of them got in, and this school didnt.

If I remember correctly it was a situation of 3 teams in the same conference all had 9-1 records, 2 of them got in, and this school didnt.

 

The other teams must have played better teams. You get more points per win based on the opposing team's division. You then get secondary points based on the wins of your defeated opponents. So if you go 9-1 against opponents that averaged 2 or 3 wins you could lose out on the playoffs to a team that 8-2 or 7-3 who played teams that averaged 7 or 8 wins. The objective is to get the 32 best team in each division into the playoffs.

 

I'm assuming Ohio still has conferences in their sports. I graduated from an Ohio school in 1980, so it may be different now than it was then. You had to play the teams in your conference, and then you had some nonconference games. Some of the conferences are extremely tough and would send more than one team to the playoffs. Some conferences are weak and won't send any teams to the playoffs.

This might be clear as mud. (Bylaws usually are) From the OHSAA handbook.

 

 

http://ohsaa.org/sports/ft/boys/ftrglt.pdf

5. Football Team Computer Rating System

The procedure used to rate football teams is based upon a system developed by Jack Harbin of Cleveland and used with his permission. The Board of Control has modified the original system. Each team will earn points as explained below.

POINT SYSTEM

On the first level:

Points are earned for each game a team wins.

(FULL VALUE)

Points are earned for each game a team ties.

(ONE-HALF VALUE)

On the second level:

Points are earned for each game a defeated opponent wins.

(FULL VALUE)

Points are earned for each game a defeated opponent ties.

(ONE-HALF VALUE)

Points are earned for each game a tied opponent wins.

(ONE-HALF VALUE)

Points are earned for each game a tied opponent ties.

(ONE-FOURTH VALUE)

Points are earned on the following basis:

Division VI opponent win – 3.5 points; tie – 1.75 points

Division V opponent win – 4.0 points; tie – 2.0 points

Division IV opponent win – 4.5 points; tie – 2.25 points

Division III opponent win – 5.0 points; tie – 2.5 points

Division II opponent win – 5.5 points; tie – 2.75 points

Division I opponent win – 6.0 points; tie – 3.0 points

5.1 First Level Points are awarded for

a. Each game a team wins (full value)

b. Each game a team ties (half value)

c. No points are awarded for game lost

5.2 Second Level Points are awarded as a result of a team defeating or tying an opponent according to the following formula:

a. Defeating an opponent awards to the winner the loser’s first level points.

b. Tying an opponent awards the team one half the opponent’s first level points.

c. No second level points are awarded for losing to an opponent.

d. A divisor is used to determine second level points. It is based on the number of games that opponents have played to date. For each open date that an opponent has had to date, a smaller divisor is used to calculate second level points.

Note: Before any games are played, the computer assumes that the opponents on each school’s schedule will play a full complement of games and assigns the divisor of 100 (10 weeks times 10 opponents=100). After each week of the season, for each open date that occurs for an opponent that a school has played to date, the computer subtracts the divisor by one. In other words, if week five has just been completed and all five of a school’s opponents have played a full complement of games, then the divisor remains at 100, and second level points are divided by 100. If one opponent on a school’s schedule to date has an open date, then the divisor reduces by one to 99, and second level points are divided by 99, and so on. The second level points are then multiplied by the factor 10 in order to move the decimal point higher so that the averages are comparable to those in past years.

west it is hard to use Beechwood as the barometer because they get players from outside Fort Mitchell.

 

On the Ohio playoffs, yes it is based on points and in short you need to schedule teams you think you can beat and that will win a lot of games. So even with the best of intentions scheduling in Ohio if either of those don't happen (you don't win and/or the teams you beat don't win many games) you are probably staying home in the postseason.

there were years a team would go 10-0 and fail to make the playoffs in Ohio. But with expanded playoffs and added classes, I can't imagine a scenerio like that anymore.

 

The best thing the OHSAA did for it's playoff system in year's is expand the number of teams who quality from four to eight. It ended all the 10-0, and most of the 9-1 teams failing to qualify. It watered down the DI playoffs for a week a bit, but was worth it for what it did in the other divisions. And, it did produce some DI upsets as well.

 

Scheduling in Ohio is still tricky, but not nearly as difficult as once upon a time. You still have to deal with your conference, and hope it's strong enough to give you some points. Harbin cows still come into play, but if a team is good and plays a decent enough schedule, not nearly as critical as they used to be.