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KHSAA implicitly states with that bylaw that practice occurs at camps; therefore, contact cannot occur at camps until August 1st.

"regardless of where the practice occurs including camps" How much more clear does it have to be that practice includes camps?

Football camps where contact occurs outside of the aforementioned accepted dates is a slap in the face to every program that abides by the rules. Your reasoning is not correct regarding this issue. If your reasoning agrees with the KHSAA, then they are wrong as well.

23 days until vs.

Another site has a similar thread. There are camps in Campbellsville doing the same thing. The lack of KHSAA oversight in this regard is a slap in the face to all of the schools that follow the rules.

iii. After each contact practice, there shall be a three-hour break. During this break, there can be no gear worn, and no activity that in any way simulates football or football drills. This restriction is in place regardless of where the practice occurs including camps, home practices, or other workout areas. This period is solely for rest/recovery;

In other words, these camps are considered contact practice and must follow the contact practice rules.

Interesting that in Bylaw 23, Section 5, Subsection a)-(2)-f.-iii., there contains a very interesting comment about "contact practice" and "including camps" in the same subsection. This means that camps are not excluded from contact practice rules. http://khsaa.org/handbook/20142015/bylaws.pdf Bylaw 23: Limitations of Seasons Sec. 5) SPORTS SPECIFIC LIMITATIONS- FOOTBALL a) Organized practice shall be structured in football as follows: (1) During the period beginning on the day immediately following the dead period (Bylaw 24) and through July 31, member schools may participate in non-contact simulations (i.e. 7 on 7) and such participation does not count against scrimmage limitations provided that the first practice in full pads has not been conducted. The school issued helmet may be used during these activities, but no other equipment included in NFHS Rule 1-5 may be issued prior to the dates detailed in subsection (a)(2) of this section. The KHSAA catastrophic insurance is not in effect for these simulations if other schools are involved; (2) Preseason and during season practice in football shall be as follows: a. The first legal organized practice wearing a helmet only shall be no earlier than July 22; b. The first three (3) days of organized practice shall be in helmets only and the next three (3) days shall be in helmets and shoulder pads for acclimatization and acclimation; c. For the three practice days in shoulder pads and helmets, there can be no contact with other players, only with sleds and dummies; d. Provided such activity is conducted and supervised by coaches meeting all qualifications of Bylaw 25, these practice sessions shall be covered by KHSAA Catastrophic insurance; e. The remainder of the gear specified in NFHS Rule 1-5 can be issued and practice in pads can begin no earlier than August 1 or the week day following the completion of the required three (3) days of practice in helmets and shoulder pads if such date is after August 1; and f. Any practice period on or after August 1 where any equipment other than the helmet and shoulder pads are worn shall be referred to as contact practice, and shall adhere to the following restrictions: i. After contact practice has begun, a non-contact simulation as detailed in sub-section 1) above may not be held; ii. After contact practice has begun and prior to the first day of classes for the students, a school shall not conduct multiple on-field practice sessions in pads (e.g., two-a-days or three-a-days) on consecutive days (e.g., two-one-two-one format); iii. After each contact practice, there shall be a three-hour break. During this break, there can be no gear worn, and no activity that in any way simulates football or football drills. This restriction is in place regardless of where the practice occurs including camps, home practices, or other workout areas. This period is solely for rest/recovery; v. The total practice time on any day where two contact practices are conducted shall not exceed five (5) hours, with no single contact practice exceeding three (3) hours. The total practice time on any day where only one contact practice is conducted shall not exceed three (3) hours. Meetings, film study, water breaks, rest breaks and injury treatment shall not count against the five hour limits. Weight training, voluntary conditioning and teaching period/walk through simulations without equipment shall not count against the five hour limit provided the three-hour break required for cool down is conducted prior to the additional activity following the contact practice; v. After the opening day of the school year, a school shall not conduct multiple on-field practice sessions in pads (e.g., two-a-days or three-a-days); and vi. All schools shall upon request, submit any required documentation to verify the proper execution of the practice regulations, including scrimmage, contact, and Heat/Humidity Measurement and Compliance Programs.

I disagree. If you are going to make it mandatory to only have full contact during 10 days in the spring and as of August 1st, then the KHSAA should make a rule that no camp participants have contact outside of this time period.

The only contact in full pads that should occur is during Spring Practice for the 10 practice days and during the regular season and playoffs after August 1st. If they are legal, then the KHSAA should explicitly make rules for such camps.

They are conducting contact drills prior to the August 1st date.

Proof that no team would pay this much money to go to one of these camps simply to condition.

This will be a team that will surprise many people.

You made an excusable statement for Haskin's actions in your original comment.

It does not matter whether it is a camp off-site or practice on school grounds. The rule is in place to prevent ALL teams and players from hitting prior to August 1st.

I have known all along. Why do you continue to pour salt on a wound that does not exist?

:banana: List one coach/team that would spend thousands of booster $$$ at a camp simply to condition. You cannot.

24 days until vs.

This is old news. The Madison Southern scrimmage was scheduled by Collins before his departure. Riddle had not verified whether or not he was going to retain the scrimmage.

Nobody pays that kind of money to go to football camp without pads.

The directive is quite clear. 07/10/14 ? Reminder about Changes in Football Preseason Practice Rules | Kentucky High School Athletic Association The preseason has been restructured as follows: During the period beginning from July 10 through July 31, member schools may participate in non-contact simulations (i.e. 7 on 7) and such participation does not count against scrimmage limitations provided that the first practice in full pads has not been conducted. The school issued helmet may be used during these activities, but no other equipment included in NFHS Rule 1-5 may be issued prior to the dates detailed in subsection (a)(2) of this section. The KHSAA catastrophic insurance is not in effect for these simulations if other schools are involved;

If you look at the registration form, teams will not pay out this kind of money for conditioning. 3 Days/2 Nights $120/player, $85/coach 4 Days/3 Nights $150/player, $100/coach 5 Days/4 Nights $190/player, $125/coach 6 Days/5 Nights $220/player, $150/coach 7 Day/ 6 Nights $250/player, $150 / coach

Georgetown College - Camps For 2014 http://www.georgetowncollegeathletics.com/d/2013-14/2014TeamCamp.pdf 2014 Team Football Camp July 14 - August 2 We invite you to take part in the 2014 Team Football Camps at Georgetown College. My staff and I are committed to making this very important time for you and your players as beneficial as we can. Everything you need to organize a first rate training experience is here at Georgetown. Dorms are clean and roomy, all air-conditioned, and within walking distance to the cafeteria. The cafeteria is spacious and quick, not to mention filling and tasty. You are welcome to use weight rooms, classrooms and meeting rooms on campus. Georgetown College football staff will also be available 24 hours if you or your staff would like to talk X’s and O’s. Camp Schedule 6:15-8:15 Breakfast Served 7:30-9:30 Practice Session A 9:45-11:45 Practice Session B 11:00-1:00 Lunch Served 12:00-2:00 Practice Session A 2:45-4:45 Practice Session B 4:00-6:00 Dinner Served 6:00-7:30 Practice Session A 7:30-9:00 Practice Session B 9:00-11:00 Pizza sold in the Dorms 11:30 LIGHTS OUT !!!

Which teams are there?

Which bylaw explicitly states that they can do tdhis and not follow the preseason contact rules?