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Great school and Coach Nienaber is as good as it gets at the D2 level. Shouldn't have a problem finding a ride to and from school!

It's 3-5. So at least use the right numbers.

 

All of the five games were against Top 5, quality opponents. Maybe those teams were just better?

Are we really going to let the facts get in the way of this narrative? Top games get top crews!

Much easier to believe a conspiracy by the assignor and Higgins to make sure that UK does not win these games.

I wonder how Higgins actually graded out in that UNC/UK game.

Good enough that he was selected to go to the Final Four. If he would have graded out poorly with the video review that is done after every game he would not have been given the opportunity to officiate the next round.

I thought it was quit revealing that in his poet game remarks Mark Fews said he was "Proud of our student athletes. We do it right at Gonzaga". That about as thinly a veiled shot at UNC as he could make without flatly saying UNC cheats. Obviously other coaches are fed up with this whole situation. They just can't come right out and say it.

Few would never take a shot at UNC especially while Roy Williams was coaching there. You must have missed the article talking about Few's relationship with Roy.

Two days embedded with a Big Ten officiating crew: These guys love their job - Chicago Tribune

The problem isn't with the evaluation process. By the time you get to this level and most levels of college officiating the evaluation process is pretty thorough with every call and non call broken down on high def super slow mo.

This article from the Chicago Tribune gives pretty good insight as to what these crews go through on a game by game basis

NCAA championship 2

And the " flagrant " that removed the Polish nightmare from the game ? Another bogus in favor of Unc call

As the announcers pointed out after looking at the entire play in slow motion the initial "missed call" on this particular play was the strip and steal by Berry was clean. So the initial foul call did UNC no favors?

Flagrant does not have to be intentional and any contact around head and neck is going to be reviewed?

Attended an early season exhibition against a D2 team in Dayton. Place was sold out. Great fan base

Really? Of all the things that is "the biggest fallacy" ?

Okay! you got me! One of the biggest fallacy,,,

And if you follow the NKU post not too far from the top....

I think it's a fair question to ask where those coaches were.... with the amount of money spent in recruiting I find it astonishing that no program really took interest in Jake or did a cursory check to see what his numbers are about. If I'm an AD at the local schools and my program has been marginable or struggling at the gate, I have a coaching staff that has some explaining to do.

The biggest fallacy in college sports is that recruiting local kids has any effect on gate or budget. The casual fan might go to one or two games to follow a player they remember from high school but not enough to make any significant difference. Family members make up most of that players following and by the time they swing the free tickets probably a break even for the program.

I think in the coming years it is going to be even more surprising that so many missed the boat on Jake. He does play some during the summer, but he really commits himself to baseball for a large part of that time.

 

I am not a D1 coach or recruiter, but I think there were plenty of signs of what Jake was and is capable of, and I will not be surprised if he becomes a lights out scorer at the D1 level. So many of his high school statistics were dismissed because of his size, his team, his region, etc. In many instances, I'd say those kinds of criticisms are legit, but not with Jake. In high level AAU ball, when he plays, he usually is the team's leading scorer, even if his role is to run the offense and create opportunities for others because of his passing ability. The kid is a gamer, deceptively athletic, a great shooter with a high motor and a high basketball IQ. He is also an intense competitor. Somehow, all of those attributes got overlooked because he happens to be 5'11". I would be willing to bet that in a couple of years WKU is happy they elected to be the nonconformists and gave him a chance.

I am not discounting what you are saying. I am as big a Scott booster as anyone and have known Jake basically his whole life. I went so far as to make calls to multiple D2 coaches that I know very well to watch him last summer. I thought he was criminally under recruited but honestly I only projected him to be a D2 caliber player so I too missed the boat!

I just think it is unfair to throw NKU under the proverbial boat when I know there were multiple D1 & D2 schools who watched him last summer. I don't know how much he played in the April certified events due to high school baseball but am fairly confident he played in the July events. The Shining Star organization and specifically Coach Price do a great job getting players an opportunity even though they are not in a "shoe" league.

Chance he just got overlooked then because of his size or just didn't get many shots?

I was fortunate to have one son play for Coach Price and another coach under Coach Price. I also spent two years as an assistant under Coach Price on the circuit.

Coach Price is what is right about AAU. Very demanding of his players. You run his system and you are held accountable on both ends of the floor. Very fair as far as PT but also competes to win.

College coaches make it a point to watch his teams compete because it is very structured and the players are coached hard. I can tell you that during an NCAA event Coach Price's phone does not stop ringing.

If you play hard for Coach Price and do what is expected you generally get the opportunity to play at the next level. I can also guarantee you that Coach Price does not care if you got "enough" shots

Actually played AAU for Shining Star out of Cincinnati and Coach Mike Price. Coach Price is one of the most respected coaches on the circuit and I can guarantee he played in front of every D2 school in the GLIAC and GLVC and most of the mid-majors in the mid-west. Team had players who committed to D1 and D2 school.

Loaded at guard he should redshirt the first year.

2 returning guards one who played 20+ minutes and other played consistent 10 mpg. Transfer from Buffalo who was starter under Hurley there and is a really good player. Two guards signed previously in the 2017 class, one considered a Top 50 recruit and the other Mr Kentucky Basketball.

Roster was a disaster when Stansbury came in to the job and he picked up some "up transfers" who were eligible immediately and the transfer from Buffalo who had to sit a year.

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Chris was super.

 

Perhaps the two most under appreciated from the era I'm most familiar with: Anthony Matracia and Ben Lye.

 

Anthony was so incredibly athletic as a Big.

 

And Ben lye was tasked with the era of Justin Doellman, mike Brock and Ross neltner as his opponents and they all struggled against him.

Ben Lye was a great player at Scott and Matricia was just freakishly athletic as a big. Jesse Jett and Jon Campbell were guards from a while back.

I think it was Chris Haynes who had the big dunk to seal the game against Holy Cross and send Scott to state. Had some issues while at Scott and most Scott fans remember the moment more than the player.

Yes!! Sorry. He was during a time I wasn't around as much. But Kellen is up there too!

 

3 jerseys in the rafters at 5400 Old Taylor Mill.

I go back a long way with Scott basketball and have always felt they needed to do more to recognize past players. Not just Kellen and Jake from their most recent past but players like Chris Thompson, Kyle Howard and way way back Kelly James and quite a few in between

This will be the first.

 

Jesse Jett's needs to be up there too. The two best to graduate from Scott,[/quote

 

Forgetting someone there?

The absolute bucket filler you speak of shot 40% from the floor and 24% on 3's for the Norse. Caverna HS schedule was a serious notch below The Jakes quality of competition.

And the majority of his recruiting was based on what he had done on the AAU/NCAA Certified events not based on the numbers he put up at Caverna. He played on teams a "notch" above what Jake played for during the summer events to use your vernacular.

Playing college basketball at any level is hard and a lot of freshmen stats suffer in the transition. Not really a fair comparison to throw Faulkner's shooting numbers as a freshmen as to what Ohmer did at the state tourney. College coaches will tell you the best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores.

The Jake rode a serious heater and may ultimately end up at the D1 level but just not at NKU.

So you would prefer to have the 10th tourney at NKU every year instead of a centralized location in the 10th Region ?

As a casual fan I would prefer the games be at NKU. Live in Northern Kentucky and the arena is fantastic and can't beat it's proximity.

My kid's played in the Fieldhouse, Montgomery Co and NKU as participants in the 10th Region tourney. I enjoyed regionals in each of those locations but as a parent you don't mind making those drives.

I enjoyed the week where the 9th & 10th were hosted at NKU the most just because you had high school tournament basketball every night of the week and it was 10 minutes from my house. However, there is something about the Fieldhouse with all of it's history when it is sold out and rocking

I'll see you there! (except for tonight) first round of GSC tourney is tonight. Potential play in game for NCAA tourney!!

I have seats in the Presidents box for tomorrow night but somehow you will end up in the floor seats trumping my seat location!

Go Bucs!

My school is in the 10th. I can get to any school in the 9th in about 20 minutes (Cooper is the exception) or to BB&T in a bout 10 minutes. Can't say the same for the 10th. With no dog in the hunt right now, the odds of me as a casual viewer in the 10th is minimal. The odds of me taking in a game in the 9th is pretty good.

Same here! School I supported is in the 10th and as much as I support and still root for them not making the drive to Mason Co. Will be at BB&T for multiple dates for 9th Region Tourney.

An example of how tough it is to not only get recruited to this level but to have success. Always enjoyed watching him at Findlay but once Findlay took in a transfer at his position before his soph year the backcourt got really crowded.

Bellarmine would be a great fit, high level D2 is a perfect combination of winning, playing time, and his skill. NKU is just a bit of a stretch I believe defensively and quickness.

I always find it interesting when we make the jump that a player is a "high major D2". I think that undersells how good you have to be to play at the D2 level.

To get a scholarship offer at the D2 level you have to be a really good player. To get minutes at that level you have to be really, really good.

The truth about recruiting is that you are who recruits you. It only takes one D1 coaching staff to love you and make an offer and you are a legit D1 player. Same for D2. There are 300+ D1 schools and 250+ D2 schools. I guarantee there are D1 & D2 schools where Ohmer could play.

However recruiting oftentimes is about system fit, scholarship availability, academics, etc. The system isn't perfect and there are many examples of players who could have succeeded at higher levels.

As I have said on this board many times D2 is legit. People tend to get caught up in points scored instead of projecting how the total player projects at the next level.

There are 3 recent examples of from this area that might show why Ohmer isn't getting the offers. Nick Ruthsatz, CovCath's all time leading scorer at least for another week or two and state tourney MVP is in his junior year at Findlay and has struggled with consistent playing time. These have not been the great Findlay teams of the past. Findlay has not made the NCAA in his time there.

Brent Bach from Augusta scored 2000+ points but has struggled to find consistent playing time at Bellarmine. Bellarmine has been very good during his time there with multiple NCAA trips.

Brandon Hatton from Dixie Heights transferred from Vermont to D2 Kentucky Wesleyn. He is the all time leading scorer in the 9th Region with over 3000 points. He is averaging 16 mpg at KWC in a really bad D2 conference. If you take out the blowouts the mpg is closer to 10 mpg.

The one constant is that when each of these players committed to the D2 level the BGP community talked how they were "under-recruited" " a steal for those respective programs" and "Why didn't NKU offer". I thnk most on the site thought each of those players would be at a minimum an All Conference type of player at the D2 level.

Not a knock on any of these players or on Jake Ohmer. As I mentioned earlier you have to be really, really good to be a scholarship player at the D2 level.

I think Ohmer plays at the next level. Not sure what level? If he wants to play and play early D3 or NAIA. And yes for the NAIA guys out there I know i just undersold the many really, really good NAIA programs in Ky. Lol

Heading to Florida in March for a week with the Mrs. Will be hitting the Strawberry Festival in Tampa initially and playing some golf.

Have always wanted to check out some spring training venues and games. Any suggestions or recommendations for a day or two of baseball?

Have watched a lot of D2 over past 5 years and still follow pretty closely the midwest region.