All Play No Work

Yes and No. Since the All-A is not a KHSAA event it is not really an answer. It is a viable alternative for some schools, so............. Maybe public schools that do not think they can effectively compete with private and independent school districts should organize their own post season football tourney. Call it the All-Public School Championship.

Then model your football programs after those public schools that are successful. As was mentioned before how does Highlands end up in state title games most years after eliminating private Covington Catholic somewhere along the way? How does Beechwood end up in state title games after eliminating NCC somewhere along the way? How is Male able to compete in 4A? If the answer is that those public schools are independent school districts then work to make your school district independent if that is what you desire. If that is not your desire then compete as best you can and go on. I do find it somewhat curious that in the state of KY with no basketball classification (and no movement to go to classes) whereby most likely the majority of schools in the state have no chance of winning a championship .....no one complains.

I could be wrong but I think the city of Fort Thomas has a Country Club in it not Highlands has a country club. And I have never explored it but can't anyone join a country club if they have enough dough? Maybe someone has to invite you or something I don't know. Why wouldn't Pendelton Country high school be a Golf Power if there is a CC there and the parents of those kids do not have to pay tuition to a private school thereby freeing up the dough? Would that not be an advantage?

But where is the advantage???? In the example above the girl golfer is likely to migrate FROM two private schools and a public school TO a Public school or a Private school. How exactly does Notre Dame or Highlands have an advantage in Girls Golf??? Because they are sucessful??? And note that if this was a Girl Cross Country runner Brossart has a multiple State championships. What is their advantage in Cross-Country??? Why doesn't it apply to Golf?

They "go" to volleyball and soccer and cross-country or are getting ready for basketball season or work after school because girls golf is just not a big draw at those schools compared to the other sports. Now if a girl was a premier golfer and had a definate possibility of playing in college on a scholly then she may end up at Notre Dame (golf power) or at Highlands. Why would she go to a school (Brossart, NCC, Campbell Co.) that may or may not field a team? Is that an advantage for ND or Highlands? Yes. Should they be penalized? No.

Since it is all about football.............why would private schools voted out have to align as "schools" anymore? Why couldn't a league of private "teams" be formed? Consider: Team 1: Trinity Team 2: St. X Team 3: Lou. Holy Cross/ DeSales/ CAL Team 4: LexCath/ LCA Team 5: CovCath/NewCath/Cov. Holy Cross (I know I missed some private schools) Plus I see no reason why students at say St. Henry or Brossart wouldn't join Team 5 for football. Actually I see no reason why a student at say Dunbar wouldn't be free to join Team 4 and not play for Dunbar if they wanted to. I think these 5 teams would find many private Ohio, Tenn., and Indiana teams to wanting to play, considering teams like Cincinnati Moeller had to play Canadian teams to fill out their schedule.

First, let's clear up some things. No one questioned the ability of public school coaches except the public schools that cited the fact that private schools can attract a certain type of coach and therefore things are not equal. (Basically stems back to the LexCath basketball opening if you ask me.) Of course, not every private school can attract/afford a superior coach (most can't I'd say) but the response from private schools and some public schools was that those complaining are free to pursue whomever they want. Does anyone believe for a moment that if Highlands of Beechwood were in need of a Head Coach that they would not pursue every and all candidates. Of course they would. Will they attract more candidates than if a public county had an opening? Certainly. Should they be penalized? Should a private school be penalized?

Basically it was that at the end although it was open to any team in the state. It is kind of a long story on how it came to be that way.

There is a lot of mis-information in this thread. The state (KHSAA) decided to stop sanctioning slow pitch softball since only 20 schools fielded teams and they were all in one area. Some of those schools, mostly the larger ones like Dixie, Simon Kenton etc. also field fast pitch teams. In an effort to ease the transition to fast pitch, the decision was made to allow 2 more years of slow pitch as long as those teams also played 10 games of fast pitch in those years which would allow them to "get ready" for a full fast pitch schedule after that. (Sounds good in theory but not practical for schools that have both fast and slow pitch teams). Now some schools are contemplating just switching to fast pitch only as soon as next year, some are still undecided, some want to play two more seasons of slow pitch while playing 10 fast pitch games, some are trying to push alternatives such as switching slow pitch to the fall season. That one would help with Title IX things but would be tough to pull off with Volleyball and Soccer and Golf and Cross Country already in place.

It's all good. Heck if we didn't discuss hypotheticals months in advance there wouldn't be much to do except over-analyze scrimmages, over-analyze legal wranglings and watch the clock tick down to kickoff.

I floated the question to the masses (Is NKY one upset away from having no state finalist since 1978?) and then stated that I think that yes this year they are. If something happens in Class A, then NKY has a more significant chance than in any recent years of not having a finalist. Others have disagreed and think that an NKY Class AAA is a fairly solid choice this year and that NKY Class AA may have a decent chance, and even NKY Class AAAA could pull of their own upset and make it. Then we debated back and forth on why we think the way we do and what teams could/should represent NKY at PJCS and what state teams could/should prevent that. Kind of the whole premise of the website I thought.

I am posing the question (see the title of the thread) is NKY one upset away from not making the finals? I think NKY is one loss upset away because other than Class A I would not consider NKY a heavy favorite in any class now and by playoff time it may only take one upset to keep NKY out of the finals for the first time since 1978. For example, in 2004 I would have thought Beechwood/NCC in Class A were locks, Highlands in Class AAA was a lock, and Dixie, Conner, Boone et.al had closed the gap on Trinity which turned out to be true but still did not matter.

See one of my posts above but to summerize: No dominant/heavy favorite NKY team in Class AAA. NKY Class AA doesn't seem to get to the finals. Same for NKY AAAA. If Class A doesn't make it (one upset) then it is like 2001 and no NKY team makes the final which hasn't happened since 1978.

I covered that (and remember this is the upset class). Maybe Lex Christian picks off Beechwood or NCC (or both). Maybe they don't, and maybe NCC beats Beechwood but suffers an critical injury (QB?) in the game and then the starting tailback goes down on the first play of the semi finals. Heck maybe Pikeville beats NCC this Friday, NCC beats Beechwood, and Pikeville beats NCC again. Upsets happen.

Agree it could happen. It also might not happen. Looking quickly at the BGP pre-season rankings (and granted these will not be the same at playoff time) NKY's side of the playoffs has: Class A #1 (NKY team) #2 (NKY team) #5, #7, #8 Class AA #2, #3, #4, #6 (NKY team), #9, #10 Class AAA #2 (NKY team), #3, #5 (NKY team), #6, #7, #8, #10 Class AAAA No NKY teams And remember in Class A of the #1 and #2 teams only one can advance. In Class AAA of the #2 and #5 teams only one can advance. So right now NKY would be a heavy favorite in Class A and a slight favorite in Class AAA. Now say all the rankings hold true all season long but CovCath edges Highlands in the playoffs. Now are we need is one upset (Class A) and no NKY team makes the finals.

IMO Harrison County Has the offense that can score on Highlands/CovCath and a defense that will be good enough to keep them in the game since I see Highlands or CovCath as capable on offense but not being ultra explosive this year.

Remembering the one upset theory (most likely needed in Class A) whereby Lex. Christian or the EKY (Pikeville/ Lynn Camp) would knock off the NCC/ Beechwood survivor.... In Class AAA any of these could be a candidate to come to NKY and win: Rockcastle (returns a lot on both sides of the ball) Bell Co (lost a few to graduation but gave a stellar Highlands team fits, got to ask yourself which team lost more) Ashland (could be undefeated against KY competition) LexCath (QB certainly capable) Harrison County (Lots of starters back, will score and if defense is on watch out)

Well if you were in Vegas (and only using the terms not really talking odds)how many pretzel sticks would you get back for the 10 you put up? Maybe one, since an NKY team has made it to the finals every year since it 1978?? Now how many pretzel sticks would you get back for the 10 you put up that no team would make it to the finals in 2005? Maybe 200? Its like saying is next year the year the Atlanta Braves do not make the playoffs? It is probable that they will, but possible that they will not. And I think this year 2005 is the most probable year in a long, long time because the two traditionally NKY dominant classes (A, AAA) do not have a heavy favorite for the state title, in the AAAA class it is hard to find even a favorite to win the district, and the AA teams have to hope no one has improved off of last year.

Noted. But note that what I'm saying is it won't take a spectacular team to block Lloyd or Newport's road to the final. A slightly better than average team could do it and only one of them can make it out of the region. It has happened every other year and could change this year but then again maybe not.

Of course we will all know more after the opener against LexCath but NCC/Beechwood might get a test (upset?) from Lex. Christian before even getting out of the region.

I will repectfully disagree that Webb (while good) is a better back than Myrion. Anyway it is totally possible that either Lloyd or Newport COULD get to a final because 2A always seems to be more open. But before we slot them in Papa's lets remember that both had running clocks against them when they played a 1A team that did not even get out of the region. That would seem to be a very tall order to improve that much in one year.

There isn't one. I would say that Highlands and CovCath would certainity be in the mix in 3A but if neither makes it to the final it would not take a shocking upset as it would in say the Lorenzen year. Think back to 2001. CovCath edges Highlands and then (some say they came out flat) lost at home to Rockcastle Co. who some did not believe were for real. And remember it is not like Rockcastle went on and won the title. They got bounced big time by Boyle. I could see a similar situation this year. Maybe CovCath and Highlands hook up and the winner gets beat. Maybe not, but certainly there could be a possiblity.

That year was an upset as Rockcastle rose quickly. This year if wouldn't be such a shocker as I mentioned neither Highlands or CovCath is thought of as a dominate team/heavy favorite.

Who would have thought Rockcastle Co would come into CovCath and beat them on their home field after CovCath had dispatched Highlands?? Wasn't everyone just about sure that CovCath would roll right into the finals that year? Weren't people talking about a running clock for CovCath? Things happen

Don't think I said that. I said think 2001. NewCath made it to the final (think if they had been upset that year) Lloyd bounced 2nd round CovCath lost to Rock in the semi All 4 AAAA teams lost in round 1.