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On 4/13/2023 at 7:56 PM, tomcat1984 said:

I’ve wonder about this for a few years but how many KY HS football players won a state championship and then go on to play college football and win a championship there too? Ik 2 to start with my brother was starting left tackle and defensive end for the 1990 Ashland state champions and went on to play at Marshall being left tackle when they went 1-2 in 3 straight national AA championship games. He was followed to Marshall by Chris Hutt(he was a junior) who was starting tail back on the 90 team and kickoff returner before career ending knee injury on a kickoff return at a home during the 92 season when they won the schools first championship. We were all talking a few months ago and it got me wondering Ik there’s got to be bunch and no matter the numbers it’s an elite group to be in. 

Steve Bird of Corbin.  1976 State Champion and 1977 State Runnerup.  1979 and 1982 NCAA National Champions at Eastern and 1980, 81 National Runners up.  

On 4/4/2023 at 11:47 AM, sportsfan41 said:

I've never been a big fan of National Championship college football and basketball being on a Monday.  It's just hard for me to justify starting me week sleep deprived.  I know they typically start them late because of the west coast, but it's unrealistic, to expect people on the east coast to stay up until midnight watching a game.

I DVR'd the game, watched the first half and then went to bed.  If the second half was amazing, I'd watch it at some point today, it wasn't.

Particularly odd to start that late when there are very few teams from that time zone that have played for a title in the last couple of decades.  

13 hours ago, 4 Quarters said:

Seems like only yesterday, and Kentucky kids leading the way.

2 Kentucky kids.  But Robey was from New Orleans, Phillips and Claytor from Ohio, Shidler from IL and Macy from Indiana.  

9 hours ago, 16thBBall Fan said:

You sound like me, making all my points!!!

Marcus Camby at Umass???  DOMINANT in college!!!  Derrick Rose at Memphis??  DOMINANT in college!!  Anybody that thinks Cal got the UK job because of his coaching is SADLY MISTAKEN, he got it because of his recruiting, HE EVEN SAID SO AT HIS PRESSER, “I’m here because I can recruit the best of the best!!!”

Marcus Camby wasn't on the '92 team that went to the Sweet 16.

Rose wasn't on the earlier Memphis team that went to the Elite 8 back to back years.

I'm not apologist for Cal but it's not like his whole resume is about recruiting alone.

On 3/15/2023 at 10:16 AM, Rebel said:

I can't imagine being any colder than that night.   We have a saying at ballgames that are cold. "It's cold, but not Paducah Tilghman cold"! 

 

Press Box wasn't too bad.  

17 hours ago, Dukey_662001 said:

2003 Paducah Tilghman, was 13-0 before losing to Boyle co.

Extremely talented team.  

16 hours ago, mcpapa said:

And a question that may have already been asked and answered. 
 

When was the last time Vandy beat UK twice in the same season?   Even though I have a soft spot for Vandy (my oldest graduated from there in 2002), I know next to nothing about their basketball history. 

I'm fairly certain that the Dores beat the Cats twice in 1989.  They ended Eddie Sutton's career in the SEC and that team was so bad it must have lost at lease one other time to VAndy.

22 minutes ago, ChiefSmoke said:

I would never argue with John Schlarman!

On a side note.... our Triple Screen that we developed at Mason County and was really good for us, all the way up to the 2021 season at Mercer County, the read for that play came from Coach Schlarman. He helped me with that part at the UK clinic one spring.  Great football mind!

One more thing... his 2005 Newport team was awful good. Gave the Russell Red Devils all they wanted on on their way to the state title... 34-33 loss in OT, state quarterfinals. 

They handled Danville in Regionals in that Newport quagmire that year as well.  

4 hours ago, BEChargers said:

Did they beat one the other eventual state champs that year in the regular season also?

Can't recall for sure.  

1974 Harrodsburg.  (I think)

Lost to Heath in the Class A semi-finals.  Bo Yeast in the backfield.  Enough said.

'76 and '77 teams were also capable losing only 1 regular season game in the 2 seasons.  Lost each time in the Regional Finals to Frankfort.  

13 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

Somerset's best team that came up short was probably not one of the 5 State Runner-Up teams, but a Semi-Finalist.  The 1984 team went undefeated until they ran into Newport Catholic.  The Jumpers had been rated number one, not only in 2A, but number one overall in the Lit Ratings, as well as being nationally ranked by USA Today.  But the Breds came into Somerset and shut down the Jumpers high powered offense to avenge a loss in the semi-finals the year before.  It was a wet field that night after a week of rain and that helped contain Somerset's backfield duo of Tony Massey and James Fletcher.  But the NCC defense played great with future Mr. Football Frank Jacobs and I think Jeff Brady.  They went on to beat Fort Knox the next week.  I was a freshman on that Somerset team, so that one still stings a little bit. 

 

For Somerset, I would add the '82 team with Stephens, Neikirk and Sexton.  They beat Corbin handily but lost to Boyle by 1 and had to stay home from the playoffs.  I believe if they would have won they would have taken AA that year.  

19 hours ago, GBR said:

I will say the 1993 Prestonsburg team that lost in the state championship to my Mayfield Cardinals. They were huge and really good. In the semis they beat Danville at the Admirals house. I think they stopped a record that Danville had going of consecutive wins. Sometimes you are good, and sometimes you are lucky. We needed some luck to beat those boys that day.

I was going to mention that Danville squad in 1993.  They lost that heartbreaker to Prestonsburg and on the other 9 times Danville would have won in a 10 game series.  

Those Ads beat the 4A Runnerup by 14 I believe and the AAA Runnerup in a rout.  In that run from '91-'94, most will tell you that '93 was the best team.  

16 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

I did not see the game but I see from the stats that Thiero only played 8 minutes. There is only one question I have for Cal. It isn't about changing defense, playing zone, offensive plays and strategy. This is very simple. Why did Frederick play 28 minutes and Thiero play 8 minutes? I say if Thiero plays 20 minutes, UK wins.

 

 

Thiero was lost in this game.  They took the ball away from him a couple of times and he fumbled it around a few more.  I like Thiero but this game he must have cost the Cats about 6 points in his limited minutes.  

12 hours ago, snakesnot_2000 said:

Why would say a Mayfield play out of state when you don't get any points for RPI and it might cost you a home game in the playoff's?

I would say they have trouble getting opponents willing to play them because losing hurts "THEIR" RPI.  Teams on the fringes of the state that are powerful, I.e. Mayfield, Belfry, Johnson Central seem to have trouble finding any opponents, let alone quality ones, that will challenge them to a game.  Therefore, some have to go out of state.

On 2/17/2023 at 4:39 PM, ChiefSmoke said:

Find out what position that Chris Pardue played. That would be my pick. 

I'm pretty sure Coach Pardue was a WR wasn't he?  ☺️

23 hours ago, DragonFire said:

I've seen this narrative before about that game, and I don't necessarily disagree wholesale, but somehow it has been forgotten that when Kentucky made their run that looked like it was going to be decisive, it was the Harrisons on the floor.  They went on an 8-0 run to take the lead, and THEN had the two back to back shot clock violations and then one a couple minutes after.  Given what happened on their next few possessions, sure, I wish it had been Booker and Ulis on the floor, but I've always found it strange that people found it so inexplicable that they were out there.  Things had been going very well with them on the floor. And even still, nearly four minutes later, they were still out there with the lead when the stripes blew the call on what should've been a shot clock violation for Wisconsin, another thing that changed the whole outlook of the game. 

After the offense looked stagnant for back to back possessions, that's when he should have switched it up.  By that point there was like four minutes left. So splitting hairs some, but I think Cal deserves a little slack on that compared to what some always give him.   Aaron Harrison was the one who ended the scoring drought too, drawing Kentucky within one with less than a minute left.  Towns scored five of Kentucky's last 12 - the other seven were all the Harrisons.

Looking back, people forget how big a liability Ulis and Booker were on defense vs that Wisconsin team.  If anything that might have played differently was to switch the 2 out for offense and defense for a few minutes whenever possible.  Still, there are sometimes when "that game" ends the great season of a great team.  See:  1975 Indiana, 1991 UNLV for historical examples.  

1995.  Nebraska 62 Undefeated Florida 24.  It wasn't that close.  Gators led at the very outset and by halftime it was all Huskers.  

Never saw a Gator defense so manhandled as that one by the UN offensive Line.  National Title game and the difference between 1 & 2 was a gap of light years.  

On 1/20/2023 at 7:36 AM, BlueRaider said:

How many more years do we think Greer continues to coach? I know there was a lot of talk in December about Haddix and Corbin. 

I Don't believe Haddix has any desire to return to Corbin.  I think that rumor was wishful thinking by a few Hounds fans.  Haddix wife was quoted in a way that certainly didn't sound like that was going to happen.

On 1/16/2023 at 2:05 AM, Tigerpride94 said:

Plenty of smaller schools play bigger schools with no problems. Central has played Manual and St. X last few years and I know Beechwood plays bigger schools with no problem. I could see where some programs wouldn't want to do it but Boyle County is a big boy program that could handle it.

I don't disagree with you on this.  But I do offer an illustration from the past.

In 1987 Danville scheduled St Xavier.  If memory serves it was 21-7 St X in the 3rd quarter when Danville turned it over.  The dam burst and at the end of the game is was 41-7.  This was the only loss for the Ads as they won AA later that season.  Danville had a large line that year and a lot of returning veterans.  Still, the depth took its toll on them.  

HHS destroyed Louisville Waggener I think in '98 by something like 56-7.  

Boyle's win over undefeated Rockastle County in 2001 and it was 42-0 at half.  Went up to 49-0 before Smith called the Rebs off to win 49-14.  

6 hours ago, 4 Quarters said:

I just see either one of these guys making much of a difference.

I was thinking in terms of minutes of rest

Unless Ware and or Frederick return for Saturday it will be tough for the Cats to have a chance.  They won't be able to play iron man basketball vs Alabama.  

2 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

Just a straight up blown call.  The announcers even said that there was nothing there and he should have been shooting an and one.  Horrible call.  

Blown call was an understatement.  Potential 3 points taken away.  Next play the driving LSU player is touched by NO ONE and a foul called on Collins.  Those 2 plays really helped LSU to reel KY back in.  

13 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

I know that the Admiral faithful are upset. But, for comparison sake, wasn't Coach Harp's record right around .500 before taking over Danville in 1988? 

Actually I think Sam was well above .500.  His last Anderson County team was 10-2 losing only to state champ Danville twice.  He was also successful at his previous stint if I believe.  

18 minutes ago, zoneblitz24 said:

What did she do that was so horrible?

Expressed her opinion????