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Bruce doesn't have to go next year, he still has a few years of control left. Chapman has to though, there is no need for him anymore on this team, and his value could be huge this winter.

No question, not the greats two blocks to walk. I have no clue how they possibly let that happen without a stop at the casino. Truly mind boggling.

I think every single member of city council conveniently owns some property along the route. Nothing surprises me with that city anymore. Thank God I'm in NKY not Cincy

Tensing's records are being investigated. He has written 81% of his tickets this year to blacks.

 

As a whole the UC force wrote 61% of their tickets to blacks.

Which is really shocking considering UC's campus is mostly white.

In hindsight, Cueto should have been traded last summer. But he didn't and the Reds still got a very good return. The Reds weren't going to be able to sign Cueto with or without Baileys contract anyway.

The Reds had to choose which pitcher had the best value to keep, and they chose Bailey, which I still think could end up being the right call. Bailey still has the stuff of an ace but the head of little leaguer. Leake will always be a middle of the rotation guy. The Reds don't have the ability and should pay around 15 mil for a number three starter.

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On the bolded, I think Mark Cuban is fine if loses money and the Mavs win an NBA. Jerry Jones as well if the Cowboys win a Super Bowl.

 

There are certainly franchise owners who view their team as a "toy" and if they don't make money but win they aren't going broke as a result. Frankly, today it's awfully hard to own a pro sports team and lose money.

 

In Cincinnati we've had an NFL owner for 50 year's who didn't have money, and thus ran the team as a family business. They still run it that way. Lot of rich Brown's because of the NFL. But that's the exception, not the rule. Most folks get rich first, then buy a team.

 

Hellbirds point has some validity in that Castillini can't afford to spend money like some other owners. He's rich, he's not as rich as some.

Those sports have caps, so there is only so much they can spend anyway. Apples and oranges. Most NBA, NFL, and NHL teams spend close to the same amount of money. The Jaguars spend just as much as the Cowboys. The Hornets spend just as much at the Mavs. Only the MLB is the salary differential is huge. The top spenders will spend 100 million dollars or more than the lowest level ones.

Once the new TV deals kick in the Reds will have more money to spend. The only problem is other teams are getting deals as well so prices will go up for players anyway. The only way for the Reds to start out spending is if you love them to New York/LA where they can actually afford to.

Also The Bengals have a higher payroll than the Cowbys

Was a big fan when he was drafted. He is going to be a star. Crazy how many young and up and coming superstars there are. The future of baseball looks awesome.

 

Reds had the highest payroll in the division at the start of the season. Yes St.Louis have to unload high salary guys. They seem to handle it better. We always say its all about pitching right. So the Reds blow up a pretty stout starting 5 but sign high salary position player. Hmm.

 

The Cardinals have the perfect mix of high salary guys and young controllable talent, and that is really hard to have. The Reds could have been that way if they drafted better the past few years.

 

They turned Albert Pujols into Wacha and Pescotty somehow. Sometimes teams just get lucky.

 

Look at the 2011 Cards roster and look at it now, completely different. It's not like they've gotten all this talent and have kept it around for years, they've been shuffling players in and out as well.

 

The Reds have had almost the same core of guys for 6 years.

And that was a problem the Reds have addressed a bit in this trade window. Trying to get the payroll down a bit and get younger cheaper and potentially really good players. The over spending caught up to them the past 2 years. That's why this had to happen.

 

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Reds had basically about a three year window. I get it. My point is your window analogy just doesn't seem to apply to the Cards. So, how do the Cards spend less money than the Reds, but continue to own them ?

 

They actually spend more... but anyway they have drafted better than the Reds in the past 6-7 years. They are going to have issues as well when contracts for guys like Wacha, Carpenter, and Wong come up.

I understand the economics of baseball. If you can't afford to compete then you shouldn't own a Major League Baseball team.

If you want to afford to compete then be prepared to spend $50 per ticket on bleachers and $100 on upper leavel seats.

Every single owner in sports has to make money, it's a business first. Castillini or any other club isn't going to lose money just to have a chance to win.

Here's the messed up part about saying the Reds got rid of these guys. They can still resign them lol. They won't even touch em with a ten foot pole but they could if they wanted to.

@BNightengale: The #Dbacks sure wanted #Reds Chapman, but refused to give up Braden Shipley, Brandon Drury and a top 10 prospect. Could revisit in winter.

Well the Dbacks are idiots. That's not a terribly high asking Price there for the best pitch for pitch, pitcher in the game.

Also if the Reds have managed contracts as they have with their players, minus Bailey, Votto, and Phillips. They are in awesome shape. They've had a good history of doing really good deals and buying out some FA years. So these players they got could be here 6 years or so.

Like St. Louis? Oh wait, Red's payroll was higher

And that was a problem the Reds have addressed a bit in this trade window. Trying to get the payroll down a bit and get younger cheaper and potentially really good players. The over spending caught up to them the past 2 years. That's why this had to happen.

Not that hard to understand

My comment was not really about Cueto but more to the FACT that this team can't win by getting rid of its best pitchers period.

 

We we got rent a players in return, guess what? If any of them pan out to be stud pitchers they won't be here past their current contracts once they sign with the Reds. Guess what that means? We will be in the exact same situation that we are in now. Why? Because the Reds won't be able to afford to keep them!!!!!!!! It's a waste of time to hope a miracle happens and all of a sudden the prospects become All Star caliber players in the next 2 years to only get back to where you are right now.

 

That at is my point. Anyone want to guess why the Reds haven't won anything in 25 years? It's because "they can't afford to re-sign their best players"

Every group of players from any team has a window to win. The Reds had a 4 year window to win it and should have. A team like the Reds can't resign every player that is worth over 100 mil. Heck most teams only have 1 or 2. The Reds missed their window to win another one. These trades that have happened and that will continue to happen will open another window 2-3 years down the road.

Only a handful of teams can spend their way to the top

I think we're making some apples-to-oranges comparisons here. I didn't see Johnny Bench making many of those plays, either. If we want to judge baseball talent strictly in terms of five-tool versatility, then Bo Jackson was the greatest baseball player in history. Unfortunately, in spite of his God-given gifts, his lifetime batting average was only .250.

He wasn't a five tool player, cause he only hit .250...

I always have dug seeing what the city of Cincy has in mind to update downtown, as much as I am in favor of saving classic structures that display its rich history.

 

I'm disappointed that so many classic theaters and hotels saw the wrecking ball long before I was born, or during my childhood, but dig it when sparkling projects such as the Smale Riverfront Park, Friendship Park, or the Banks come to fruition.

 

(If you're not familiar with the International Friendship Park, it's a well taken care of gem, and free parking for it can be found towards the end of the giant Montgomery Inn Boathouse parking lot. It has it's own parking lot entrance about an 1/8 of a mile past the MIB parking lot entrance. Pick a beautiful day to stroll through it and I guarantee you'll enjoy the experience while nestled between the natural beauty of the Ohio River and the Hills of Mt. Adams).

 

I'm hoping that the rail system proves to be a success, but I've yet to see exactly its necessity, and have many questions about the logistics or possible pitfalls, and at present can only take a wait and see approach to it for my vision is cloudy at best as to how it's all going to go down.

 

Some are aware of the long ago abandoned subway system that never saw the light of day, but I wonder if there's many who are aware that Cincinnati did it again in recent years with the opening in 2003 of the Underground Transit Center that to this day still has not been used. In this day and age I can't imagine why the city would have put so much money into a project just to see it sit now for 12 years unused with no real plans in place to utilize it.

 

This video is 4 years old now talking about it, but still very much valid.

 

I've parked in that lot before Reds games and always wondered what that was lol.

My problem with the street car is that not only does it not go many places, but it's not going to be fast transit at all. If you catch the train up by Findlay. They say you could walk to GABP faster than it would take the streetcar to get there. And I can't wait to see how terrible traffic will be especially during rush hour. And the amount of wreck its will cause.

It's going to be a disaster

I really like how in the article it was how he visited like OSU, Alabama, LSU but yet still wants to check out UK and Southern Cal... Which one shouldn't belong?

Now that it's over time to grade their performance.

I'll give them an A-. They needed to get a offensive prospect, but the pitching prospects they got in the deals were way above what I thought they would get. The only way this deadline could have been better was if they traded Chapman for a nice return.

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Pujols isn't making any of these plays.

A comment on that video summed him up nicely. He has the glove of Mays, the speed of Henderson, and the bat of Gherig. He's going to be one of the greatest when all is said and done

I'm relieved Bruce did not get moved

Can't hate on the Reds for not trading Chapman and Bruce. They have the advantage of having to control them after this season so they didn't have to get rid of them. If they want to move them in the winter they will have more teams in the mix and the price will still be high.

Walt has gotten 4 stud pitchers for 2 future FA's. Well done

Duvall is from Louisville.

That's trght now that I remember that. Crazy! Might be a big bat off the bench at max. Great asset in GABP though.

What is the scoop on Mella?

Big arm, struggles with giving up HR's. But hitters have only hit .213 off of him in the minors. Potential Ace material. I am absolutely giddy... And he's not even 21 yet

And Adam Duvall who hit his first MLB HR off Leake lol