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INT X. Ball game

SK on the x 39. 1:24

SK recovers onside 1:40 left

41-34

41-27 2:00 left 4th SK on the 1 inch

"Great question, Understand that what I say now, has no bearing on what happened last night. That being said, if the tackler pulled the runner down by the back of the jersey, and the runner's knee's buckled, then it was in my opinion a horse collar. Remember this penatly is to protect the runner. As an official we are trying to protect players from injury. The rule is the rule. Also....someone asked about the A player scoring a touchdown then there being a horse collar.....no horse collar can be called unless it happens in the field of play. If anything can be called here it would be a dead ball personal foul. That depends on how it happened after he crossed the goal line. Same goes for a player being out of bounds then there is a horse collar tackle, dead ball personal foul if anything.

Come on now....lets not interpret the wording of the rule. The rule is the rule... 9-4-3: No player or nonplayer shall: k. Grab the inside back or side collar of the shoulder pads or jersey of the runner and subsequently pull the runner to the ground (Horse-collar tackle). Also, the rule doesn't have the word knees anywhere in it.

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Anyone have any thoughts on the new lineup for the finals weekend? Why the switch? Friday: 11 am - 4A 3 pm - 2A 7 pm - 5A Saturday: 11 am - 3A 3 pm - 1A 7 pm - 6A

The rule is quoted below. Simply grabbing cloth is not always a hold. Rule 9-2-1-c is a very powerful sentence....effort to restrain an opponent. Getting beat is not getting held. Rule 9 Section 2 ART. 1 . . . An offensive player (except the runner) shall not: a. Use a blocking technique which is not permissible by rule. (See 2-3-2, 3) b. Grasp or encircle any teammate to form interlocked blocking. c. Use his hands, arms or legs to hook, lock, clamp, grasp, encircle or hold in an effort to restrain an opponent. Rule 2 Section 3 ART. 2 . . . In blocking, a player may contact opponents with the arms or hands provided the technique is legal. The legal techniques are as follows: a. Closed or cupped hand technique: 1. The elbows may be inside or outside the shoulders. 2. The hands must be closed or cupped with the palms not facing the opponent. 3. The forearms are extended no more than 45 degrees from the body. b. Open hand technique. The hand(s) shall be: 1. In advance of the elbow. 2. Inside the frame of the blocker’s body; the frame of the blocker’s body is the front of the body at or below the shoulders. 3. Inside the frame of the opponent’s body, except when the opponent turns his back to the blocker during the block or after the blocker is committed to his charge. The frame of the opponent’s body is at the shoulders or below other than the back. 4. At or below the shoulders of the blocker and the opponent, except when the opponent squats, ducks or submarines during the block or after the blocker is committed to his charge. 5. Open, when the palm(s) are facing the frame of the opponent or when the forearms are extended beyond the 45 degree angle from the body. ART. 3 . . . The blocker’s hand(s) may not be locked nor may he swing, throw or flip the elbow or forearm so that it is moving faster than the blocker’s shoulders at the time the elbow, forearm or shoulder contacts the opponent. The blocker may not initiate contact with his arm or hand against an opponent above the opponent’s shoulder, but he may use his hand or arm to break a fall or maintain his balance.

I thought this thread was for, "questions for officials"? It has somehow turned into more bickering about a play that nobody can get back. The thread for that game has been shut down. Any questions for officials?

I am an official and I am not attempting to make petty quips and jabs. Just thought the Billy Madison quote fit the bill and would maybe lighten the mood a bit.....tough room though? As for replaying a quarter in football (if that is what I am reading correctly).....I just can't see that happening. I can't even see the possibililty of having instant replay in high school football. The technology is not available at a reasonable cost for high schools to afford. I don't know how you can remedy the problem of a missed or incorrect call in the game? We just have have to work harder to get the plays right! I do know that myself and an extremely large majority of officials that I know want to make every call correct. However, we are all human and make mistakes....and we learn from them. I seriously doubt that any crew that goes out to work a game leaves the locker room with the idea that they are going out with intentions to screw anybody. As for making a "sticky" for questions for officials....I like it! I pay and get on here quite a bit in hopes there is a rules question to answer. It will only make me a better official by doing so! It will also make fans and coaches better aware of the rules. If more people were more knowledgeable about the high school rules....I would hear, "but he is out of the pocket" a lot less often.

No, Not 100% Sure?

No, you need a response From a member of the NFHS Rules Committee....I doubt any of them are on this forum.

No offense.....but..... Principal: "Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

"More Cow Bell"

My thoughts and prayers go out to the Rudd family and friends. Also thoughts and prayers to the Dixie team and staff. Times like this sure do put things in perspective.

normally, an official will notify the head coach that 3 minutes remain on the clock and he should get his team heading toward the field. However, that is not required and is simply a courtesy. Ultimately, the head coach is responsible for having his team on the field prior to the mandatory 3 minute warm up period.

If the situation happened the way you saw it, it was incorrect. Can't speak for the official that stopped the clock but we have all incorrectly stopped the clock by accident.....thinking the line to gain had been met (double stakes situation), thinking the play that just ended was 4th down, hearing a coach yell "time out" and then finding that not to be the case, etc. I am sure there was a legit reason that the official stopped it and when he or someone else on the crew realized it was wrong, they started it back up. :idunno:

49-0 end of 3rd qtr

28-0 @ half

BHS 14-0 3:30 1st qtr

In the rule book under the penalty enforcement section for Rule 7-5-10, it reads: "If the pass interference by either player is intentional, his team shall be penalized an additional 15 yards" Notice the word, SHALL....Probably not going to see this called very often.

bump keep the questions coming....some officials like to be questioned. It keeps our skills sharp! :thumb:

NFHS Rule 6.3.1.b SECTION 3 TOUCHBACK ART. 1 . . . It is a touchback if any free kick or scrimmage kick: a. Which is not a scoring attempt or which is a grounded three-point fieldgoal attempt, breaks the plane of R’s goal line, unless R chooses a spot of first touching by K. b. Which is a three-point field-goal attempt, in flight touches a K player in R’s end zone, or after breaking the plane of R’s goal line is unsuccessful.