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NFLHS.com will produce a state champions list as well that is more complete. There are more champions in a few states (like New York and California).

On a side note I wonder if Nate Newton's son is still the RB at Southlake Caroll? He is a stud too!

Oh yeah, Tre Newton is still running wild here in Texas...he'll do his running next year at Texas.

I grew up in New York and I root for all the New York teams.

MLB- Yankees, Mets

NFL- Jets, Giants

NBA- Knicks

NHL- Rangers, Islanders

Fair enough, however I will say that the money wouldn't overflow any more than it already does in college football. The NCAA would now get a cut of the post-season pie, which means another slice of the pie to be divided up. Then you would have to take into account the changing tv contracts for networks that don't get playoff games. Don't forget these mid-level bowls-the Chick-Fil A people would want an important bowl game, but how could you give them a better game than the Alamo folks, and so on. Also, non-BCS conferences would now have as much influence in the postseason system as BCS Conferences. It all comes back to money, as you said, but the presidents are only one hand, although a major one, in the postseason cookie jar that would have to be greesed to make a playoff happen.

Never gonna happen even though we all would like to see these games???

Highly unlikely, I know. It is fun to dream though...

Incidently, how about this gem:

Johnson Central vs. Archbishop Stepinac, NY

The mighty Eagles defense versus the wing-t proficiency of the defending state champion Crusaders would not be for the faint of heart. Bring your lunch pail and your hard hat, because this one will be blue-collar all the way.

Your school versus mine :fight:

Seriously, this would be a good game.

If they let the NCAA in, it would be with those Bowl sponsors best interest in mind.

Not necessarily...it is in the best interests of the bowl sponsors to keep the current system in place, you know this from the book (and common sense, I'm sure).

The missing link is the schools wanting to retain power (see money) without the NCAA getting a slice of the pie.

This is very true and a great point for the BCS conferences. The non-BCS conferences would disagree with you and those presidents would tell you they would go for a playoff in a heartbeat.

Again, I love the discussions on this website!!! :ylsuper:

I've read it. I'll hold firm in saying if the President's went for a playoff, everything else would fall in line quickly. They hold ultimate power over the NCAA here...

But the NCAA doesn't even regulate the bowls...you would have to get bowl sponsers to pull tv contracts and tie-ins, which has a lot to do with specific bowls like the Rose.

I guess what I am saying is the presidents could fall in line and we could still be years from getting a playoff in the FBS.

Zero. It's the BCS school Presidents alone. I've said that for years on here...

Actually, it is much more than just the presidents, although they play a big part.

Read the book "Bowls, Polls and Tattered Souls" by Stuart Mendel (SI writer). He goes into great detail about the hold-ups for a FBS playoff.

This is a much bigger loss than people are recognizing...a Pro-Bowl back with big play ability. Pittsburg will miss him dearly in the playoffs!

I guess Fred Taylor will get into the Pro-Bowl after all, but this is terrible news for the Steelers.

This is a much bigger loss than people are recognizing...a Pro-Bowl back with big play ability. Pittsburg will miss him dearly in the playoffs!

I guess Fred Taylor will get into the Pro-Bowl after all, but this is terrible news for the Steelers.

I think Trinity could handle Brentwood this year

Wow...I really liked what I saw from Brentwood this year...high praise, but Trinity is a monster! It would be a nice game.

How about a Ky Vs Tn matchup

 

Trinity Vs Brentwood Academy

St X Vs MBA

Highlands Vs Maryville

Lex Catholic Vs Alcoa

Beechwood Vs S.Pittsburg

I like it...I think Kentucky can pull out three of these, although I have not seen S. Pittsburg, so this is just based on my opinion of how good I think Beechwood is.

Wins: Beechwood, Lex Cath, Highlands

Losses: Trinity, St. X

Beechwood re-loads and they are the champs until someone knocks them out. LCA, Raceland and Hazard could give them all they can handle, though.

If I had to honestly pick those games based on the teams they had this past year having seen all of them, I would say Kentucky would be favored in two games (Lex Cath and Beechwood) and would be an underdog in two games (Jenks and Bon Bosco). The Highlands-S. Panola game would be closer than people think due to Highlands experience playing against some bigger teams in Ohio. Also, Bowling Green could give Chandler a good run. I would say Kentucky would go 3-3.

Wins-Lex Cath, Beechwood, Trinity

Loses-St. X, Highlands, Bowling Green

What about some recmmendations for better match-ups?

...like we see with Ohio vs. USA and Kirk Herstreit, what games would you want to see played?

I have a few gems:

St. X vs. Jenks, Okla

Jenks is always a national power with top line recruits, but the power game of St. X could neutralize Jenks' speed. Both teams are powerful programs with a lot of pride and it would make for a great match up.

Trinty vs. Don Bosco Prep, NJ

Get your popcorn ready, there would be an air show in store if these two powerful passing offenses got together. The question would be which defense could step up and get a few stops to put their offense in a position to win?

Beechwood vs. Poly Prep, NY

New York isn't known for their football, but Brooklyn Poly Prep has been winning for decades and would not be afraid to go blow for blow with the powerful defending 1A champs.

Highlands vs. South Panola, Miss

The nation's longest win streak might be in jeopardy when the defending 5A champs in Highlands met up with the defending 5 time Mississippi 5A state champions. Only the strong would survive the battles at the line of scrimmage in this one.

Lexington Catholic vs. Dallas Episcopal, Tx

A holy war between two high-flying offenses as the defending two-time state champs from Dallas come calling for the Knights. Lots of speed would be on display in this one.

Bowling Green vs. Chandler, Az

One of the most underrated programs out in western Kentucky takes on one of the most underrated programs on the west coast in Arizona traditional power, Chandler. Can the strength of Bowling Green match the speed of Chandler?

What would you like to see?

The "spread offense" is a term that is too widely used. The are many variations. Some view the spread has using NO Tight End - Some say it is 3 wides, 1 Tight End, and 1 Back - Some claim it must be multiple. Then you have the variations of the West Coast offense which the Ewards/Mumme/Franklin offense is a product of that.

 

Recently, spread offenses are commonly identified by their run game. Zone / Zone Read, Spread Option, Double wing, etc.

 

Running a spread offense makes a defenders make plays in open space. Many coaches say that running a spread scheme is a great equalizer. No matter what the title or influence, ALL offenses will come to a point where you have to be able to run the football. CHAMPIONSHIP spread offenses can do that effectively.

The way I have always defined a spread is this: Which area of the fields are you trying to attack in the passing game? I coach down in Texas and we attack the field horozontally in five different zones, at both sets of numbers, at both hash marks and the middle of the field. This is how we spread a defense. We use our runs splits and blocking schemes to attack the defense running the ball.

Incidently, I think that in high school, teams can win with a one dimensional spread offense if they excel at that particular dimension either due to execution or talent. As we move up in levels to college, it is more important to be multi-dimensional. Just as an example, we coached in the state title game this year and we lost to a team that simply had excellent talent at the wideouts and quarterback positions. They only ran the ball 11 times from their spread. We were a more diverse spread offense and we ran the ball down their throat in the second half, but they still got us. We were the best defensive team in our area, but they made big plays out of their passing game.

Just a thought.

I'm not sure which players were effected (I'm not sure anyone is), but I still think the distraction will be a problem for FSU going into the ball game. I think FSU will come out flat and let UK get the jump on them and coast. UK-38 FSU-21

And to think the OHIO STATE non-league schedule was called easy this past season.

To be fair, it was.

The SEC non-conference schedule should never be called into question. The in-conference schedule is always hellacious and they have a conference championship game before anyteam can win the conference.

UK has Louisville in non-conference and that is enough. They get UT, UF, UGA and Spurrier EVERY STINKING YEAR! And, oh by the way, they pick up Alabama, Arkansas and Miss St next year, all bowl teams.

Nothing he's done at Apollo would set himself apart from other candidates.

He had done some good things with the Knights. Maybe some credit for their past success.

He did have some early success at Apollo as well and has them competitive.

I can see your point, however.

We bought into the spread last year and midway through the season we were 0-5 and maybe scored one time in the five game that we played. We knew that were not that bad of a team but we were not playing to our strenghts. We switched and won 3 out of the last five of our games running the DW and went 9-3 this year. I just think it is the best fit for us.

I know Estill's DW is unique because of the line splits (foot to foot still, right?). Are there some spread concepts in their offense, especially in the quick passing game?

4A would be the biggest toss up in the coming years. I think 1A and 3A will be interesting as well.

5A and 6A will be more of the same. The sun will rise, you will pay your taxes and X and T will dominate 6A while Highlands holds off the occasional charge from Cov Cath to be the bosses of 5A.

Raceland played Liberty in 1990, I looked but could not find past schedules for the teams in Virginia. We played them at Liberty University.

 

I understand that you can not compare the states by one game, I was just providing some information. I honestly think that Virginia football is probably better then Kentucky as a whole, I just don't think that Kentucky football is that bad.

I keep coming back to this as well. I always go by the old eye test. There have been some top notch teams around the country that I have seen and I honestly believe that Kentucky teams can hang with them. Our top notch programs (I believe our flagship big programs are Trinity, X and Highlands) can beat a lot of highly ranked teams that I have seen.

Again, I know there are some superior states, especially in my top 10, but I truely believe Kentucky football is much better than it is given credit for being. We have some of the most underrated high school coaching in the country (Beatty,Glaser, Mueller, Rash, Schneider, Letton, Rains, Simpson...). I also know that more college coaches are recognizing this talent and more kids in the state are going to legit college programs and going D1.

Great... but can he walk on H2O?

No, but I gues it would take a small miracle to beat Cov Cath and Highlands year in and year out. :lol:

Fwiw, born and raise right here and I played four years of hs football in Ky (along with college)... So I'm very proud of our football tradition, and it appears to be moving in a positive direction in many aspects. With that said, I have a geniune question: It has been a few years, but I would think they have grown at a relative pace...so did we really make up that much ground?

 

I have only seen one game in Texas and one in Louisiana so I'm not pretending to know what I'm talking about...but, we weren't even close to the games I saw in terms of overall talent, atmosphere, etc. These where like college games. I'm talking 10K people for a regular season ho hum game...and for every 1 kid we have at 6'3" 220 running a 4.7; there were 6. Kids played offensive OR defense..and there where lots of them..My uncle told me that the game in Texas was pretty much a normal high school game.

 

Honestly, we have a handful of programs that could compete well in the big football states like Tex, Flor, Louisiana, etc..right? From what I saw and hear from relatives in both states, the typical senior hs in their area is 11th and 12th grade only with 2k to 3k students.

 

I think it's a curious question, and I don't really know the answer.

Just surprised by some of the answers and ranks mentioned above?

I don't think anyone would argue that Kentucky is up there with Texas. I see Texas football on a regular occassion because I live here and coach here. Texas is number one.

I just think Kentucky is getting short-changed. The first 9 states on my list, I believe, are head and shoulders above everyone in the nation. I think Kentucky definitely belongs in the second tier of schools.