Aiden Seamus

My only comment is: You must be the only guy in America who calls a keychain a key fob, bloke. :lol:

A lot of the car makers/dealerships refer to the electronic keychain (the part with the push buttons to unlock the doors, pop the trunk, start the car, etc.) as the key fob.

They have batteries in them, which will drain over time. Our Altimas at work will actually pop up a message on the dashboard to let you know your key fob is getting low on battery. And yes, the car itself refers to it as the key fob.

I was in AZ recently and rented an Altima. First time I have driven a car with the push button ignition. For those of you who haven't had this experience you do not use a key to start the car. You just push a button. You do have a key fob to use for locking/unlocking/trunk but its not for starting the car.

 

I go to the Reds/Indians game and park. Grab my key fob, lock the door, and head into the game.

 

I come out a few hours later to find my car still running. I didn't push the button to turn it off. Out of habit once I grabbed the key chain/fob I guess my mind went into cruise control and didn't think that the car might still be running.

 

Fortunately it was running with a full gas tank.

This is really odd. I deal with push-button-ignition Altimas on a daily basis and all of ours shut off if the key is a certain distance away from the car.

Is it possible there was a spare key fob in the glove box that maybe kept it running?

I don't care who you are. You have to be just a little bit crazy to cut yourself like they do.

A no DQ version of the match that kicked off the show coming up now.

I wonder how long the over-runs will go tonight. Raw is scheduled to end at 11:05 (though it rarely does) and TNA set to end at 11:08.

There is a big time former WWE superstar heading out here in a few. I don't know who it is yet, but I heard Hogan talking about it earlier today on the radio. I can't wait to see who it is.

Should be Jeff Hardy. From what I've read, Hardy is backstage, but IDK.

They are pulling out all the stops...there's Jeff Jarrett...

Jeff Jarrett's been there for a while. He started TNA.

And then Cactus Jack comes out of nowhere...love it!

I would have rather seen Dude Love.

I'm not even a wrestling fan anymore, but I would watch this every Monday if they keep it at this level :thumb:

Since Hogan/Bischoff came to TNA I have watched it intermittently to try and get into it like I did WCW back in the day, but it just wasn't happening.

Tonight, something about TNA is just better, more interesting.

The Hogan/Flair start off to the show was amazing.

As bad as I hate to say it, TNA is better than Raw tonight.

Anyone heard of rhubarb pie or Bear Rabbit mollasses?

Who hasn't heard of rhubarb pie?

Getting married in November.

I love that Kentucky Farm Bureau commerical with the son driving the car up in the tree.

I hate it. Dumb commercial and I'm really tired of seeing it.

As for the web bot. Doesn't it just crawl the internet and collect data that's being published?

So isn't the web bot collecting more stuff about 2012 because there are more people talking about it on the internet?

I mean, there's so many people talking about 2012 being the end of the world, so it wouldn't be that hard for the web bot to make a correlation there.

Keep in mind, the web bot doesn't collect information from God, it collects information from what people are talking about on the internet. So the more people talking about 2012, the stronger the correlation is going to be...doesn't mean it's going to happen.

If the web bot was around near the Y2K event, I'm sure it predicted something catastrophic for that time too due to the thousands, if not millions, of pages devoted to it on the internet.

Here is an excerpt from an article regarding the web bot, published Nov. 6, 2009:

In fact, a quick search on the Net and you'll find predictions that date as far back as the 5th century. George Ure, one of the guys behind the Web Bot Project--which analyzes Web chatter to identify patterns and establish predictions--had predicted a major event would take place Nov. 5, 2009, possibly war between five nations. Waaait a minute, wasn't Nov. 5 yesterday?

1. "One Big Holiday" - My Morning Jacket

2. "This Charming Man" - The Smiths

3. "The Kids Aren't Alright" - The Offspring

4. "Readyfuels" - Anberlin

5. "Youth Gone Wild" - Skid Row

6. "Fluorescent Adolescent" - Arctic Monkeys

7. "Santeria" - Sublime

8. "Loser" - Beck

9. "Tonight, Tonight" - Smashing Pumpkins

10. "Stockholm Syndrome" - Muse

11. "Evenflow" - Pearl Jam

12. "Run Around" - Blues Traveler

13. "Last Caress" - The Misfits

14. "Comfort Eagle" - Cake

15. "Last Night" - The Strokes

16. "A Favor House Atlantic" - Coheed and Cambria

17. "Mother" - Danzig

18. "Meant To Live" - Switchfoot

19. "Say It Ain't So" - Weezer

20. "Bohemian Rhapsody" - Queen

21. "Through the Fire and Flames" - Dragonforce

22. "Cadence to Arms" - Dropkick Murphy's

23. "Oliver's Army" - Elvis Costello

24. "Lions" - The Features

25. "Trooper" - Iron Maiden

26. "Make(darn)sure" - Taking Back Sunday

27. "Cowboy Song" - Thin Lizzy

28. "Notion" - Kings of Leon

29. "Jailbreak" - Thin Lizzy

30. "Scotty Doesn't Know" - Lustra

^ Hahaha, Id say you are right on the sighs of relief. I for one though, like I have tried to point out, am not necessarily saying I believe something is going to happen on Dec 21st of 2012, but do feel it is possible for something to happen somewhere around that time frame. To me its more about the time frame then it is the actual date.

 

And I agree with you, there is a lot of people that will never buy into it. I for one am just someone who is fascinated by the theories and someone who has his own opinion on the subject and thinks its possible for "something" to happen. Not saying that something is the end of the world, but I do think its feasible for something big to happen right around that time period, a period we are getting close to.

 

 

I appreciate your input though I really do. I did not start the thread, but being it is something I have strong interest in, I felt I had to voice my opinions. You brought about good arguments for your side of the table, I have been trying to bring out the arguments from the side of the theorists.

I'll admit, I found it a bit interesting until they started shoving it down people's throats. The occasional show was fine, but to create a whole series (The Nostradamus Effect) and then a movie....> :deadhorse:

Now it seems like every other night there's something about 2012 on the History Channel, Discovery, AE.

I would like to add another thing that irritates me. This 2012 hysteria has even caused some to claim that they're going to commit suicide just before the Dec. 21, 2012. They have stated that they do not want to be around to see the horrific images of the world coming to an end.

Now, these people probably have some underlying psychological problems, but it shows what this kind of hysteria can lead to.

Much of the hoo-ha being spread is actually being done by people in the scientific community, just not those employed by the government. You looked to NASA to derive a lot of your findings. If you haven't learned by now, one thing is almost a certain, it's not a good idea to trust the government.

 

 

So you can have your NASA scientists, and I will take the scientists who have an actual care and opinion about the world we live in.

I'll trust the people who actually put human beings on the moon, over some guy who was paid to make some statements on a History Channel special.

^ God says no one but himself will know when the world will end, not when something may "happen". Something huge could happen to alter the world we live in, it doesn't mean that it will be the end of the world.

The sighs of relief from everyone on Dec. 22nd at 12:01 AM combining together across the world creating a massive hurricane of doom? :confused:

Plain and simple, some are going to believe this stuff, some are not. I, personally, do not and have provided just some of the reasons why I don't buy into it.

I would say that if you are correct, you'll win the bet and I'll buy you an ice cream cone, but seeing how ice cream, spoons, heck even the world may not be around after that, I don't think I could make good on that bet.

I think that I'm going to propose sometime within the next year and a half to my girlfriend. And if I do, I'm really going to try and push that we get married on December 21, 2012...

 

Do you know how much of a discount we'd probably get? lol

On a related note. My fiancee' and I are getting married later this year. When we were picking dates, there were only 2 dates available. One was the date we picked (Nov. 6th) and the other was Sept. 11th. It would have been cheap...but still.

Another gripe I have about the NASA findings you posted Aideus is that they seemed to indicate that scientifically nothing would happen to earth. In reality science is one of the biggest oppositions to God, and scientists are always looking for a scientific answer. God will destroy the earth again, he has said so. He has also said he will do so by way of fire. Like said in one of my earlier arguments, it has been proven that the earth has physically been destroyed six times, so why can't it happen again?

God also stated via the Bible that no one will know when the world is going to end.

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

Mark 13:32

Assuming you believe in God and are using his works as proof that something like this can happen, then that is a contradiction to your previous points, because God said no one will know when these things will happen.

^ This is coming from NASA, of course they are not going to say anything out of the ordinary, it is one of the biggest government organizations there is. There is all kinds of evidence that actually support UFO findings as well, but do you think NASA will disclose any of that in a Q&A session with curious citizens????

 

 

 

And actually these prophecies did predict things. They predicted a lot of things to go along with the 2012 time period. Among them are Earth altering occurrences that include everything from asteroid impacts, to gama ray deflections off exploding stars, to nuclear destruction. All of these prophecies outlined many different visions of total catastrophe and it all centered around the 2012 timeframe, and the apocalyptic theory.

 

 

 

I understand the end of the Long-Count period is not the end of Mayan time, however, their beliefs intended that something significant was going to happen at the end of the long count period. Something earth altering.

 

 

 

Again you can try to discredit all you want, but IMO, quoting NASA isn't going to change my opinion one bit. NASA and the government is only going to tell the nation and world what they want to hear, not what could actually happen. Many scientists and astrologists "have" been keeping their eyes on stars who are close enough to earth, who are at the age of explosion in fear of any resulting gama rays reaching earth. There have been many others who have been tracking stars, asteroids, and those who have indicated an upcomming planet alignment, unlike one we have ever seen before.

 

 

 

And oh yeah, wasn't something big suppose to happen once the Jews once again reclaimed their homeland? Wasn't something suppose to maybe happen a generation later, or in that generation? Wasn't Israel formed in the 1940's? Isn't 70 years about the equivalent for a life span now? Isn't 2012 somewhere around that same life span after, encompassing the lifetime of someones generation. I mean this is just one other strange coincidence to coincide with this discussion, I will leave the rest out.

 

Again not trying to argue wrongs and rights, I am just saying this kind of stuff, and these ideas are more possibly then people will let on, and if you want to debate 2012 theories then I can go all day.

I think the bigger debate here is whether a person is inclined to believe a bunch of hoo-ha, conspiracy theories, etc. over actual scientific sources. Are these things interesting? I suppose so, but there is no actual scientific evidence to back any of them up and plenty to discredit them. I'm sorry, but I'll believe a scientist at NASA over some supposed doomsday prophet.

Okay, I was trying not to get too deep into this discussion, but I guess I will have to now.

 

 

 

1.) Quite possibly the most famous of all, Michel de Nostradame, otherwise known as Nostradamus. Many historians give Nostradamus credit for predicting future events ranging from the rise and fall of Napoleon and Hitler, to the deaths of King Henri II (who lived at the time of Nostradamus, and had predicted exactly how he would die) and other notable figures in history. He also had prophecies about The Great Depression, World War II, The Assassination of JFK, and 911. The fact that a lot of Nostradamus views are corresponding with so many others on this subject is very interesting.

 

2.) The second one I will throw out is the one you hear about the most, and that is the Mayan Long Count Calender, in which ends on Dec 21, 2012. The Mayans were incredible astrologers for their time, and even designed a majority of their structures according to the constellations in the night sky. It's amazing how advanced these people were in astrology and astronomy. For some reason they ended their calender on the date of Dec. 21 2012. This is significant because many of the top astrologers, astronomers of today say there is set to be a galactic event of epic proportion happen around this time. Around the end of 2012 we are supposed to experience a galactic alignment in which all of the planets will be in a direct line with the sun, something that only happens every hundreds of thousand years. The astronomers also say that this event could cause major problems on earth being it will change the gravity field dramatically and could cause major drop or raise in the oceans water levels. The fact that the Mayans were expert astronomers for their time, and the fact they picked the end date for the Long Count Calender to be set around a date in which modern astrologers are saying we are to experience a galactic event of epic proportions is eye catching to say the least. Some suggest this end date means the end of the world, others and myself included think the date just suggests the marking of major change to the earth as we know it.

 

3.) Edgar Cayce, actually a Kentuckian from Hopkinsville. Considered to be the modern prophet, and very accurate in his readings thus far. Cayce would perform readings for people, and they would occur by him putting himself into a sleep state, then someone asking him a question, with someone else writing down what he said. The results were astonishing. There is over 300 books written about Cayce and his life. With only a ninth grade education Cayce was amazing in the things he brought about through his readings. So credible in fact the President of the United States, Woodrow Wilson, sought Cayce's help after becoming ill with something no doctor had been able to diagnose. Cayce actually told Wilson what was wrong with him, and how to treat it. Almost everything Cayce said later became known as fact. One of the most famous of his reading outcomes was that he said that the lost city of Atlantis was actually hidden in the Caribbean, many years later, scientists uncovered a row of stones off the coast of the Bahamas that some think may be remminents of the famed lost city. Cayce also had many readings stating that something catastrophic was set to happen around the year 2012.

 

4.) I Ching and Timewave Theory: In the early 1970's scientists Terence Mckenna, and his partner undertook a massive study of the ancient Chineese I Ching (a chineese text in which many believed could be used to predict the future). The I Ching itself is known by "The Book of Changes" and often could be used to document important dates/events in Ancient China. McKenna studied the I Ching until he found a pattern emerge, then coincided it with his own "Timewave Theory". Through this McKenna believed that everything that has happened to Earth has happened on a time wave sequence of ups and downs. He went all the way back through history documenting the most significant events, and was astounded when he discovered a distinct pattern in the timewaves. With many years of work, and the help of the computer, he finally finished mapping out his theory, with the shocking end date of 2012. He says according to the wave of events, the cataclyism by his account and his studies should occur right around 2012, a time in which he says anything and everything that can occur can happen simultaneously.

 

5.) Hopi Indians: The Hopi Tribe had and documented a distinct belief that something cataclysmic is set to occur around the time of 2012. In their prophecies they had predicted the coming of the white man, wars, devastations, etc. They had divided their views and time periods into worlds. They said that the time when humanity will end is in the 5th world, the world we are living in right now.

 

 

 

Okay, so that is five right there, all with different backgrounds, culture, and none with contact with each other. Aside from the Mayan, Hopi, and Ancient Chineese (all more ancient type of civilizations who would have had zero chance of communicating with one other), the Egyptians, and other ancient civilizations also had predictions hinting the same things, however, they are not as famous or as documented.

 

 

Many more like predictions have been made, these are just the most well documented, and most upheld at this time IMO. However among these are a new one that is starting to gain steam. It is the Web Bot Theory. It was a computer program created in 1997 to predict or project stock market trends. Clif High was the creator. The program works by searching the internet for a period of time and gathering around 300,000 trendy words or phrases at the time. These words are then broken down and broken down until a paragraph type statement emerges, structured much like Nostradamus' quatraines. It is said that the web bot can predict catastrophes 60-90 days in advance. The Web Bot Project gained momentum after making a prediction in the summer of 2001 that read something like, High rise buildings, New York City, end of Summer, Terrorists, Airplanes. Everyone kind of laughed off the assumption since it was made by a computer program, although High and other We Bot promoters was trying to forecast their findings.

 

 

I saw a documentary in which showed one of the biggest historians in the US talking about the web bot. He was talking about how he heard a guy made a program that was supposed to predict things. He said a friend was telling him about the 911 prediction, and he just laughed it off like most other historians/scientists did. However, after something did happen in late summer of that year, the historian said he would take notice to whatever the Web Bot project team said next. If that happened, then he said he would really be a believer. Well in 2005, the Web Bot stated that there would be a huge storm, southern US, major city, gone, people die in flood waters, etc. etc. This was made months before Hurricane Katrina (and of course is not the exact words of the prediction just the gist) and after Katrina, the Web Bot gained a significant amount of followers in the scientific and historical world. Other Web Bot predictions include, Dick Cheney being shot in hunting accident, Space Shuttle Columbia disaster, AA flight 587, 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, among others.

 

 

 

 

In case you were wondering, the Web Bot project has made many 2012 predictions, and all point toward cataclysmic events. Now personally, I do not base my opinion off a computer program, or this, or that. However, when you have so many different links, from so many diverse backgrounds and time periods, all essentially saying the same things, all essentially forecasting prior events that have taken place, then I take notice. If coincidence, this would have the be the biggest coincidence of all time. Where there's smoke, there's fire. As a Christian, I know that Christ will come like a thief in the night, when no one expects. So I am not saying I think the "world will end" in 2012. However, I do feel strongly something unprecedented will happen around that time. As a History major, I have studied this a lot, as I have gained a strong interest in it. For some reason it just fascinates me. What I have outlined here was just a quick overview of some of the points that have effected my views, and if people studied the subject as much as me, may develop similar views. Again, not trying to argue who will be right, who will be wrong, I am just saying that something has to happen around that time, there's no way all the projections made are just all coincidence, and there's zero chance it is a hoax. But again, as a Christian, I will just sit back and see what happens, if it does it does, if it don't it don't, doesn't matter to me. Still interesting to discuss though.

The problems I have with Nostradamus and your other mentioned "prophets" are that they do not actually predict anything. They make vague statements and then people try to fit those statements to current events. Edgar Cayce is about as credible as Uri Geller.

Also, the following are excerpts from NASA's website.

Question (Q): Are there any threats to the Earth in 2012? Many Internet websites say the world will end in December 2012.

Answer (A): Nothing bad will happen to the Earth in 2012. Our planet has been getting along just fine for more than 4 billion years, and credible scientists worldwide know of no threat associated with 2012.

Q: Does the Mayan calendar end in December 2012?

A: Just as the calendar you have on your kitchen wall does not cease to exist after December 31, the Mayan calendar does not cease to exist on December 21, 2012. This date is the end of the Mayan long-count period but then -- just as your calendar begins again on January 1 -- another long-count period begins for the Mayan calendar.

Q: Could a phenomena occur where planets align in a way that impacts Earth?

A: There are no planetary alignments in the next few decades, Earth will not cross the galactic plane in 2012, and even if these alignments were to occur, their effects on the Earth would be negligible. Each December the Earth and sun align with the approximate center of the Milky Way Galaxy but that is an annual event of no consequence.

Q: What is the polar shift theory? Is it true that the earth’s crust does a 180-degree rotation around the core in a matter of days if not hours?

A: A reversal in the rotation of Earth is impossible. There are slow movements of the continents (for example Antarctica was near the equator hundreds of millions of years ago), but that is irrelevant to claims of reversal of the rotational poles. However, many of the disaster websites pull a bait-and-shift to fool people. They claim a relationship between the rotation and the magnetic polarity of Earth, which does change irregularly, with a magnetic reversal taking place every 400,000 years on average. As far as we know, such a magnetic reversal doesn’t cause any harm to life on Earth. A magnetic reversal is very unlikely to happen in the next few millennia, anyway.

Q: How do NASA scientists feel about claims of pending doomsday?

A: For any claims of disaster or dramatic changes in 2012, where is the science? Where is the evidence? There is none, and for all the fictional assertions, whether they are made in books, movies, documentaries or over the Internet, we cannot change that simple fact. There is no credible evidence for any of the assertions made in support of unusual events taking place in December 2012.

And the following are some excerpts from National Geographic:

The Maya calendar doesn't end in 2012, as some have said, and the ancients never viewed that year as the time of the end of the world, archaeologists say.

"It's the time when the largest grand cycle in the Mayan calendar—1,872,000 days or 5,125.37 years—overturns and a new cycle begins," said Anthony Aveni, a Maya expert and archaeoastronomer at Colgate University in Hamilton, New York

In December 2012 the lengthy era ends and the complicated, cyclical calendar will roll over again to Day Zero, beginning another enormous cycle.

Some sky-watchers believe 2012 will close with a "galactic alignment," which will occur for the first time in 26,000 years.

In this scenario, the path of the sun in the sky would appear to cross through what, from Earth, looks to be the midpoint of our galaxy, the Milky Way, which in good viewing conditions appears as a cloudy stripe across the night sky.

Some fear that the lineup will somehow expose Earth to powerful unknown galactic forces that will hasten its doom—perhaps through a "pole shift" or the stirring of the supermassive black hole at our galaxy's heart.

NASA's Morrison has a different view.

"There is no 'galactic alignment' in 2012," he said, "or at least nothing out of the ordinary."

He explained that a type of "alignment" occurs during every winter solstice, when the sun, as seen from Earth, appears in the sky near what looks to be the midpoint of the Milky Way.

Horoscope writers may be excited by alignments, Morrison said. But "the reality is that alignments are of no interest to science. They mean nothing," he said. They create no changes in gravitational pull, solar radiation, planetary orbits, or anything else that would impact life on Earth.

Mine is David Letterman in his heyday, but it would be Conan now. Since it looked like an all-time thing, I take Dave. I'm sure Carson was better, and Dave would be the first to say so, but I was 9 when he went off, sooooo.....

Same here. I was 6 when Carson went off the air, so I can't really say he was/is my favorite, however, from what I have seen, I like his stuff.

I will not watch an entire late night talk show until Conan is back on the air. I won't even think about parking the channel on Leno. I might flip it on Letterman for a good music act, and if I'm up late with nothing to do the next day, I might catch Ferguson's monologue.

Yes I do. I just read something on that. The experts said the world was supposed to end in 2000 due to technology. They said the world is supposed to end in 2012 due to much bigger and larger things that we cant control.

Which cannot be substantiated or backed up with any real evidence, just perpetuated by twisting and manipulating various ideas and predictions. The Mayans never said the world would end in 2012, these so-called scholars are the one's saying, "Well look at this...they stopped so it must mean the end of the world."