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Article 3.c leads me to believe that as long as a defender isn’t sliding under an airborne shooter, some foot-shuffling or even leaning away from the offensive player does not constitute a blocking call as it seems to have in the past.

 

Would that be an accurate interpretation?

So long as he has established legal guarding position first.

Hard to argue with anything there. We can always quibble that some team should be one spot or two higher or lower but overall that looks really solid to me.

Corbin beat Boyle 21-0 and is behind them, so ya no it’s easy to argue.

You rarely see a defender get a charging call when they have established legal guarding position and they jump straight up while the offense runs directly into them.

Definitely not, but I believe it’s how most officials justify no calls with contact in and around the basket so the shooting teams coach can’t gripe too much.

Part of why I’m doing this too is so if an official does call it maybe some educated can stop the lynch mob that would ensue.

Simultaneous possession goes to the O.

 

In HS do they have to relation possession all the way through to the ground? That is where I think it gets muddled in college and pro.

 

Another rule that is about two years old is the receiver is considered a defenseless player until he has had the chance to become a runner. Now good luck getting an explanation on when that will get called and what that looks like.

Yes, unless forward progress is stopped in the air. Unlike pros if someone catches the ball gets hit backwards out of bounds it’s a catch and the spot is at the spot of the initial contact. In the pros if you knock a guy out before his feet come down he’s out of bounds.

Bowling Green has 5 state titles in the last decade I believe. Franklin-Simpson has 2 state titles and 2 state runner-up finishes since 2011.

Forgot BG. They are definitely up there!

What does a point of emphasis mean? This has always been the rule.

They stress it to officials in the books and materials put out for the year. It’s usually a rule that hasn’t been called like it should and by reemphasizing it for the year you help it stand out more in the officials mind and that impact will usually carry over for years.

You had two teams with great records and quality wins clashing on a neutral field, hard to say one was definitely better than the other.

I started doing this with football and with basketball in swing thought it would be good for all of to really look at the rules. I figure I would start this with the definitions for legal guarding position as this is the foundational basis for block/charge calls.

4-23-2 and 4-23-3

ART. 2 ... To obtain an initial legal guarding position:

a. The guard must have both feet touching the playing court.

b. The front of the guard’s torso must be facing the opponent.

ART. 3 ... After the initial legal guarding position is obtained:

a. The guard may have one or both feet on the playing court or be airborne, provided he/she has inbound status.

b. The guard is not required to continue facing the opponent.

c. The guard may move laterally or obliquely to maintain position, provided it is not toward the opponent when contact occurs.

d. The guard may raise hands or jump within his/her own vertical plane.

e. The guard may turn or duck to absorb the shock of imminent contact.

Figured this week with college bowl season and NFL playoffs just around the corner it would be good time to look at the High School definition of a catch. This in my opinion is a rule the NFL and college to a lesser extent have really muddied up as of late.

Rule 2-4

ART. 1 ... A catch is the act of establishing player possession of a live ball which is in flight, and first contacting the ground inbounds while maintaining possession of the ball or having the forward progress of the player in possession stopped while the opponent is carrying the player who is in possession and inbounds.

ART. 2 ... Catching is always preceded by touching the ball; thus, if touching causes the ball to become dead, securing possession of the ball has no significance.

ART. 3 ... A simultaneous catch or recovery is a catch or recovery in which there is joint possession of a live ball by opposing players who are inbounds.

For me schools that come to mind for this conversation in no particular order is Beechwood, Mayfield, Belfry, Johnson Central, Trinity, Highlands, Louisville Central. Every team on that list has multiple titles in the last decade, and have been pretty dominant.

I’m glad to see them win but until private schools are prevented from giving any tuition assistant to athletes I will support a public private split.

4 games by less than a touchdown 1 game by 8 points and only one true blowout.

Certainly this is about as competitive as the KHSAA can hope for.

Can someone explain the H to me? I saw the H flag on the stream then the ring, I’m confused.

Haddix made some questionable calls in this one and it cost Corbin the game. If you don’t trust him to get the PAT why would you send him out for a 44 yard field goal in that situation. And before it’s said I get the idea of avoiding overtime, but with 27 yard to the end zone that is definitely a normal passing distance for a decent QB so you don’t even need a Hail Mary type throw there.

I'd be happy with Facebook Live...:lol2:

Can’t charge any money that way.

That change has gotten a lot of people. A lot of people still think face guarding is a penalty in high school too and it's not any more.

Not trying to be cruel or anything but Dayton isn’t exactly the type of school or program that is going to pull anyone from anywhere. Most Single A schools are like that though. You play the kids who live in your area. Dayton, Bellevue, and a few others are up and coming but they are not Beechwood.

I disagree, Hazard and Williamsburg both routinely pull kids from their respective larger County schools over football. You aren't going to pull a star from a big school, but a kid that might be third string at a school like Highlands might be interested in being a starter on the smaller level. In 1A ball if you can get 35 kids that are decent football players you can be very competitive. My guess is what Dayton has now with the addition of 10-12 kids could completely flip the program.

Or some rules people think they know. Football is strange in that the rules are different from HS, College, Pro and Texas.

I’m not wasting my time arguing with a Texan if they show up on this I’m out.

This is an old school rule, I believe. In the early days of football teams would often punt on first or second down (sometimes not even running a play) if their punter was better than the other and they could pin the opponent deep in their own territory. Then they'd try to turn over the other team or hold them deep on downs to get the ball back. With the proliferation of high powered offenses anymore I can't imagine many teams doing this today.

 

By the way, the book below is awesome if you are interested in how the game was played in the late 1800s and very early 1900s. It was a completely different world.

 

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Ya most people don’t know it’s called a grid iron because back in the day it had vertical as well as lateral yard lines forming a “grid” to pass you had to move over to the left or right so many yard before you could throw a forward pass.

I haven't, but have heard of it. How about this:

 

A free kick following a fair catch? This I have seen, and yes, it's exactly what it sounds like. You punt to me, I fair catch it. We line up in a kickoff formation, as do you. I kick the ball through the uprights and get 3 points. Score! Talk about bizarre.

Ya that one always made a tad more sense to me since you scored, late i. A close game or right before the half this call makes sense.

I enjoy the rules discussion so figured I may put one up a week so long as people want to discuss them.

This one is fun. Rule 8-4-2

After a field goal, the opponent of the scoring team shall designate which team will kick off.

Anyone ever seen a team get scored on give the ball back to the scoring team? Also, if you coach when have you or your captains ever been asked what you want to do when you opponents kick a field goal?

I would think a Dayton is a job where the right fit could really succeed. A lot of kids in NKY that I’m sure would love to see varsity minutes, if you can get a few second and third stringers from other districts over you could become competitive in a hurry. 1A football requires a lot fewer kids to compete.

I’m gonna try and go Saturday.

1A: Beechwood

2A: Mayfield

3A: Corbin

4A: Johnson Central

5A: Covington’s Carholic

6A: Male

Corbin has so many kids and subs down all season, so comparing defensive numbers is a waste. I was at Corbin/Centeal game last year and Corbin dominated, the clock operator for Central gave Central about 10 more plays than they should’ve gotten in the second half and that’s the only reason it wound up being a 1 point game. Corbin isn’t going to blow them out but hounds win 28-14.