Do you guys make the same call if Team B has only 6 subs? Do you eject their entire bench?

Do you guys make the same call if Team B has only 6 subs? Do you eject their entire bench?

 

Any player that leaves the bench is ejected.

Ejections: A1 and Team A coach, Team B's two coaches and all 6 players. All are charged with a flagrant technical foul and disqualified.

 

Now in regards to free throws: Neither team will shoot any free throws.

 

Rational: Head Coach A and B offset, Assist. Coach B and the 6 players (all bench personnel) offset the flagrant foul by A1. Here's the math: two free throws would have been awarded to B1 for A1's flagrant foul but these free throws are offset by Assist Coach B and 6 B players entering the court (if the number of each team's offenders entering the court and not participating is unequal, a maximum of two free throws are awarded to the offended team) and Head Coach A and B offset. Therefore, no free throws and proceed at point of interruption.

 

I think you are right.

Rule 10-4.5 Says a player can't leave the confines of the bench during a fight or when a fight may break out.

 

Head coaches both charged with flagrant T's and ejected.

 

The assistant and the 6 players are all ejected but since "only one technical-foul penalty is administered regardless of the number of offenders", team A will only receieve 2 FT's as a result.

 

So, to shoot these in order, B1 gets two FT's for the intentional foul.

 

Team A gets two FT's. The T's on the head coaches offset, and team A receives two FT's for the one indirect as a result of the bench personnell coming on the floor. Team A will receive the ball for a division-line throw-in opposite the table after the last FT.

 

Both head coaches, B's assistant and the six subs from B are all ejected.

 

The head coaches are not charged with flagrant, if you read the rule they are given indirect T's for their players coming onto the floor. If they start fighting then it is one T for each player fighting.

Do you guys make the same call if Team B has only 6 subs? Do you eject their entire bench?

 

Yes, if a player leaves the bench during a situation like this they are ejected no questions asked.

Ejections: A1 and Team A coach, Team B's two coaches and all 6 players. All are charged with a flagrant technical foul and disqualified.

 

Now in regards to free throws: Neither team will shoot any free throws.

 

Rational: Head Coach A and B offset, Assist. Coach B and the 6 players (all bench personnel) offset the flagrant foul by A1. Here's the math: two free throws would have been awarded to B1 for A1's flagrant foul but these free throws are offset by Assist Coach B and 6 B players entering the court (if the number of each team's offenders entering the court and not participating is unequal, a maximum of two free throws are awarded to the offended team) and Head Coach A and B offset. Therefore, no free throws and proceed at point of interruption.

 

I made a mistake in agreeing with you, Now you have made the mistake there will be free throws attempted.

Where did this happen at?

This sounds like something that would happen up in the 9th region. Or maybe the 62nd now.:eek:

 

I've seen games in the 9th region for 30+ years and never seen anything like this happen here.

You will get different thoughts from different officials regarding coaches coming on the floor during a fight. Some officials will not call a T and assume that the coach is automatically beckoned if a fight breaks out.

 

This is correct. Most officials want those coaches out there very quick, so they will not give T's for them coming out to help. Now if they are doing more to stir the pot that is a different story I'm sure! But the only T that would be given out is the one for the 6 players coming on to the floor that didn't fight. Just my opinion.

I've seen games in the 9th region for 30+ years and never seen anything like this happen here.

 

I can't tell you the last time I even saw a fight in the 9th region.

The simplest call would be to return all players and coaches to their bench with a "game over" warning for the next infraction.( Just because the book says it is an infraction doesn't mean it must be called). B shoots 2 and gets the ball for the flagrant. There was no fight, although players left the bench in a dead ball situation the intent and any call of infractions is in the judgment of the refs. In order to deescalate and continue the game this may have been the way to go. You really would need to see it to make the right call.

Where did this happen at?

 

California

The simplest call would be to return all players and coaches to their bench with a "game over" warning for the next infraction.( Just because the book says it is an infraction doesn't mean it must be called). B shoots 2 and gets the ball for the flagrant. There was no fight, although players left the bench in a dead ball situation the intent and any call of infractions is in the judgment of the refs. In order to deescalate and continue the game this may have been the way to go. You really would need to see it to make the right call.

 

No way you let 8 people from a bench run on the floor and not T them up. Hang up your whistle if that's your approach.

6 free throws should be awarded.

6 free throws should be awarded.

 

To which team?