In Acts, didn't the two who withhold the full amount of the sale from the church and lied about it, drop dead on the spot for their sin.

 

Now, THAT is serious. And it was the church who pointed out their sin.

 

Paul held Peter accountable for sinning. I guess Paul was wrong too?

If all other steps did not garner my attention and I refused to have repented from them, maybe so.

 

Why is it that we are called to strive to live like Jesus in all those areas that are comfortable to us? Loving each other, thinking of others, etc, etc.

 

But when we are called to live like Jesus in areas that do not make us comfortable, holding other Christians (yeah, I do think that there is a difference in how we hold other Christians and how we hold unbelievers accountable) accountable for their actions, we back off that pretty quickly.

 

Help me out here. I'm FAR from a Bible scholar. Where does the Bible instruct us to publicly confront and humiliate another Christian whose sinful actions have not affected you personally in front of the entire church body? I can't see how this is possible. This would include everyone. Everyone sins. Repeatedly. Everyone in the church body should be confronted in such a public manner about their sinful actions?

So, since we all fall short, we should never hold anyone accountable for sinning.

 

Jeffrey Dahmer gets a free pass because I sin too?

 

Of course if everyone gets a free pass, than no reason to repent or confess your sins as we are told to do because there will never be anyone telling us that what we do is a sin.

 

The issue is not whether we should help our fellow Christians avoid sin and keep them accountable for their actions, but whether publicly ridiculing the person in front of their church body is the appropriate way to do so.

Help me out here. I'm FAR from a Bible scholar. Where does the Bible instruct us to publicly confront and humiliate another Christian whose sinful actions have not affected you personally in front of the entire church body? I can't see how this is possible. This would include everyone. Everyone sins. Repeatedly. Everyone in the church body should be confronted in such a public manner about their sinful actions?

 

First, I probably would have not chosen this message and it was over the top.

But, I think there is a problem in Christ's church in holding each other accountable. Knowing that we are going to fail and we are going to fall short, absolutely no doubt. But still pushing and helping each other strive to be better while loving each other the whole time.

 

We are so worried about hurting someone else's feelings that we don't push each other to try and be better.

 

Loving others better.

Doing for others better.

Saying no to gossip better.

Putting our family before work better.

and so on and so on and so on.

 

To your question, I am not sure where it is but I believe that there is Scripture that indicates a person who is not repenting (and that is very much the key) from sin hampers the ability of the church.

 

At one point, when I was struggling might with sin (I still do but was even worse about it than now) I offered my resignation up to the church leaders because I was afraid that my battle with sin that I was losing was hampering my church's ability to do the work they are called to do.

 

Not that I am some important person but the Scripture we were studying (and I cannot recall it) was indicating that one sinful, unrepentant person could hamper the whole church.

 

BTW, this lady needs loving and support as much as anything else. Throughout this, she still needs those two things.

The issue is not whether we should help our fellow Christians avoid sin and keep them accountable for their actions, but whether publicly ridiculing the person in front of their church body is the appropriate way to do so.

 

If she has rejecting all other manners, does it then become appropriate.

 

Should her local church just wipe her from the dust of their sandals and not worry about her anymore?

 

Is being indifferent to her and possibly seeing her end up in Hell worse than ridiculing her?

 

All serious questions and points a church should consider before choosing the way to handle things.

In Acts, didn't the two who withhold the full amount of the sale from the church and lied about it, drop dead on the spot for their sin.

 

Now, THAT is serious. And it was the church who pointed out their sin.

 

Paul held Peter accountable for sinning. I guess Paul was wrong too?

 

Do you point out or account for every sin you see someone commit? Do you point out your own sins to others? Do others point out your sins?

 

Paul may have held Peter accountable. Your church may hold you accountable for your sins. If you are washed in the Blood Of The Lamb He will forgive you. After that, who cares who tries to hold you accountable?

Do you point out or account for every sin you see someone commit? Do you point out your own sins to others? Do others point out your sins?

 

Paul may have held Peter accountable. Your church may hold you accountable for your sins. If you are washed in the Blood Of The Lamb He will forgive you. After that, who cares who tries to hold you accountable?

 

I have people in my life that I have asked to hold me accountable for my actions.

 

I have people in my life who have asked me to do a similar thing.

 

But the one that does it the best is the Holy Spirit who convicts me hard when I screw up. And I am betting that the Holy Spirit is getting pretty tired of all the convicting he has to do on me. I screwed up tonight at basketball practice and lost my anger. The old Spirit is hitting me pretty hard on that one tonight.

 

I do not usually point out the sin in someone's life that I do not have a relationship with unless it is for a specific reason. Me saying abortion is wrong in BGP threads would be an exception to this.

 

The last point is dependent on whether you believe you can lose being washed in the Blood of the Lamb. If you believe once saved, always saved, than it might not matter. If you believe you can lose your salvation by the actions you take that might indicate you are rejecting Christ, than it matters a lot.

First, I probably would have not chosen this message and it was over the top.

But, I think there is a problem in Christ's church in holding each other accountable. Knowing that we are going to fail and we are going to fall short, absolutely no doubt. But still pushing and helping each other strive to be better while loving each other the whole time.

 

We are so worried about hurting someone else's feelings that we don't push each other to try and be better.

 

Loving others better.

Doing for others better.

Saying no to gossip better.

Putting our family before work better.

and so on and so on and so on.

 

To your question, I am not sure where it is but I believe that there is Scripture that indicates a person who is not repenting (and that is very much the key) from sin hampers the ability of the church.

 

At one point, when I was struggling might with sin (I still do but was even worse about it than now) I offered my resignation up to the church leaders because I was afraid that my battle with sin that I was losing was hampering my church's ability to do the work they are called to do.

 

Not that I am some important person but the Scripture we were studying (and I cannot recall it) was indicating that one sinful, unrepentant person could hamper the whole church.

 

BTW, this lady needs loving and support as much as anything else. Throughout this, she still needs those two things.

 

As long as you are in the flesh you will be in battle with sin.

As long as you are in the flesh you will be in battle with sin.

 

I truly believe there is a difference between battling with sin and accepting the sin in your life and NOT battling it.

 

It seems from the article that the lady was in the latter.

First, I probably would have not chosen this message and it was over the top.

But, I think there is a problem in Christ's church in holding each other accountable. Knowing that we are going to fail and we are going to fall short, absolutely no doubt. But still pushing and helping each other strive to be better while loving each other the whole time.

 

We are so worried about hurting someone else's feelings that we don't push each other to try and be better.

 

Loving others better.

Doing for others better.

Saying no to gossip better.

Putting our family before work better.

and so on and so on and so on.

 

To your question, I am not sure where it is but I believe that there is Scripture that indicates a person who is not repenting (and that is very much the key) from sin hampers the ability of the church.

 

At one point, when I was struggling might with sin (I still do but was even worse about it than now) I offered my resignation up to the church leaders because I was afraid that my battle with sin that I was losing was hampering my church's ability to do the work they are called to do.

 

Not that I am some important person but the Scripture we were studying (and I cannot recall it) was indicating that one sinful, unrepentant person could hamper the whole church.

 

BTW, this lady needs loving and support as much as anything else. Throughout this, she still needs those two things.

 

I don't see public humiliation as "loving support."

 

So if it is okay to publicly confront this woman about her continued sin, shouldn't your church have done the same to you? In fact, shouldn't you have "confronted yourself" in front of the entire church body and not just your elders? (Please don't answer those questions, LBBC. I don't want this to get personal. I'm just asking you to think about it in comparison to this woman).

 

If she has rejecting all other manners, does it then become appropriate.

 

Should her local church just wipe her from the dust of their sandals and not worry about her anymore?

 

Is being indifferent to her and possibly seeing her end up in Hell worse than ridiculing her?

 

All serious questions and points a church should consider before choosing the way to handle things.

 

I'm still not clear. Where does the Bible say we should confront each and every person publicly in front of the church body for their sins, even though the sin did not affect you personally?

 

I know lots of people in my church that drink alcohol. Should this go publicly before the church body if I confront them about it and they continue to drink?

Do you point out or account for every sin you see someone commit? Do you point out your own sins to others? Do others point out your sins?

Paul may have held Peter accountable. Your church may hold you accountable for your sins. If you are washed in the Blood Of The Lamb He will forgive you. After that, who cares who tries to hold you accountable?

 

And not only point them out, but point them out in front of an entire church body??

 

That is the point of this thread. Not that holding another Christian accountable for their actions is wrong, but that the Bible somehow requires us to do so in the same manner as this church.

I truly believe there is a difference between battling with sin and accepting the sin in your life and NOT battling it.

 

It seems from the article that the lady was in the latter.

 

Yep! A BIG difference.

 

I just butted in the thread and after reading a few posts I think they are much more interesting than the article could be. I'm not going to read it.

I don't see public humiliation as "loving support."

 

So if it is okay to publicly confront this woman about her continued sin, shouldn't your church have done the same to you? . In fact, shouldn't you have "confronted yourself" in front of the entire church body and not just your elders? (Please don't answer those questions, LBBC. I don't want this to get personal. I'm just asking you to think about it ion comparison to this woman).

 

 

 

I'm still not clear. Where does the Bible say we should confront each and every person publicly in front of the church body for their sins, even though the sin did not affect you personally?

 

I know lots of people in my church that drink alcohol. Should this go before the church body if I confront them about it and they continue to drink?

 

And not only point them out, but point them out in front of an entire church body??

 

That is the point of this thread. Not that holding another Christian accountable for their actions is wrong, but that the Bible somehow requires us to do so in the same manner as this church.

 

Not as a step early in the process, but it might be a consideration as the last step and after all other steps have been exhausted and if I show no repentance.

 

Would you all feel more comfortable if they did not confront her about her sin and she ended up burning in Hell for all eternity?

Yep! A BIG difference.

 

I just butted in the thread and after reading a few posts I think they are much more interesting than the article could be. I'm not going to read it.

 

Please feel free to be a butt more often.:sssh::lol::jump::bunny::thumb::

I truly believe there is a difference between battling with sin and accepting the sin in your life and NOT battling it.

 

It seems from the article that the lady was in the latter.

 

Maybe so. But again - and not to beat a dead horse here - but please provide me scriptural or even logical support why confronting and humiliating this woman in front of her entire church family is the appropriate manner to handle this.