Just curios but isnt golf going on right now, and doesnt tennis play while another sport is going on, and what about track. Now that we got this out of the way does anyone know how any of the teams are doing right now that are playing.

 

You are missing the point. You could encounter Title IX problems if you make middle school girls play out of the "normal" season (as in when high school girls play basketball) because of a lack of gym time.

 

As in:

 

This past summer, female high school athletes and their parents in Michigan had reason to celebrate when they received a favorable ruling in a case involving the discriminatory scheduling of girls’ sports seasons. The case, Michigan High School Athletic Association v. Communities for Equity, challenges the association’s scheduling of six girls’ sports, and no boys’ sports, in nontraditional seasons.

 

One example of Michigan’s discriminatory scheduling is that while basketball is traditionally played in the winter and volleyball is played in the fall, Michigan girls have to play basketball in the fall and volleyball in the winter. As a result, girls are harmed in ways that boys are not, including: limited opportunities for earning athletic scholarships, playing college sports, playing in club or Olympic Development Programs, and receiving awards and recognition, such as selection for All-American teams. In July, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals held that the association’s scheduling of girls’ sports was discriminatory and violated the United States Constitution.

In Pike Co. girls basketball is played in the fall (Aug.-Nov.) and volleyball is spring (Feb-May).

 

The reason is most 7th-8th grade girls then get the chance to play both sports as well as getting to play with the high school girls b-ball team, which benefits everyone.

You are missing the point. You could encounter Title IX problems if you make middle school girls play out of the "normal" season (as in when high school girls play basketball) because of a lack of gym time.

 

As in:

 

This past summer, female high school athletes and their parents in Michigan had reason to celebrate when they received a favorable ruling in a case involving the discriminatory scheduling of girls’ sports seasons. The case, Michigan High School Athletic Association v. Communities for Equity, challenges the association’s scheduling of six girls’ sports, and no boys’ sports, in nontraditional seasons.

 

One example of Michigan’s discriminatory scheduling is that while basketball is traditionally played in the winter and volleyball is played in the fall, Michigan girls have to play basketball in the fall and volleyball in the winter. As a result, girls are harmed in ways that boys are not, including: limited opportunities for earning athletic scholarships, playing college sports, playing in club or Olympic Development Programs, and receiving awards and recognition, such as selection for All-American teams. In July, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals held that the association’s scheduling of girls’ sports was discriminatory and violated the United States Constitution.

 

And that ruling is fine for large high schools in Mich., but what about small schools who schedule that way to ensure that -

 

1. They can offer all sports and more opportunities for females.

 

2. Make sure that the numbers are there for each sport.

Not in the western part of the state.

 

The girls Middle school state tourney is held in Nov. I think. Do these teams choose not to participate?

And that ruling is fine for large high schools in Mich., but what about small schools who schedule that way to ensure that -

 

1. They can offer all sports and more opportunities for females.

 

2. Make sure that the numbers are there for each sport.

 

You'll have to address that if and when the time comes.

 

All I'm saying is Title IX can be very tricky and even what appears to make sense to most might not fly. As in Girls must cheer for Boys and Girls games even if Girls don't want them there and the Girls don't want to be there.

Just curios but isnt golf going on right now, and doesnt tennis play while another sport is going on, and what about track. Now that we got this out of the way does anyone know how any of the teams are doing right now that are playing.

 

I have no problem with options being available to students. More sports options mean that more students have the opportunity to become reap the countless benefits of organized sports. I do have a problem, however, with sports being offered to girls in non-traditional seasons because schools want more gym-time for their boys. (I'd like to think that I'm in the majority in this thinking. In fact, maybe I'll start a new thread seeing what others think.)

 

I wouldn't even have a problem if, along with the girls, middle school boys were forced to choose between two major sports (such as football and basketball) because of gym scheduling. At least then, boys and girls would be receiving equal (albeit poor) treatment. It blows my mind that in some areas of the state, boys are still receiving obvious preferential treatment in sports. Sounds like some parents need to start brushing up on their Title IX laws and then start the necessary processes to get them enforced.

I personnaly like the girls playing now. Yes we could play later and share the gym and maybe we would get the gym 1 day possibly 2 days a week and yes this would be equal to the boys, but now we get the gym 5 days a week, to me this just works out better for everyone. We have 1 gym and if we play later we would be sharing with jv girls and boys, varsity boys and girls, 7th & 8th boys and girls and cheerleading. We do have a smaller gym but lets not forget 3, 4, 5, 6, grade basketball and cheerleaders. I understand the point you are trying to make but to me this just seems to be better.

I personnaly like the girls playing now. Yes we could play later and share the gym and maybe we would get the gym 1 day possibly 2 days a week and yes this would be equal to the boys, but now we get the gym 5 days a week, to me this just works out better for everyone. We have 1 gym and if we play later we would be sharing with jv girls and boys, varsity boys and girls, 7th & 8th boys and girls and cheerleading. We do have a smaller gym but lets not forget 3, 4, 5, 6, grade basketball and cheerleaders. I understand the point you are trying to make but to me this just seems to be better.

 

Thanks for laying it out this way. I coached middle school basketball at a small school where we had all the elemntary, middle, and high school vying for gym time in two gyms. I agree it is difficult and practice time is limited. Somehow, we made it work. I understand your point, but still think it is unfortunate that girls are being forced to choose between what I would consider two major sports (basketball and volleyball). However, if players and their parents are happy with how leagues are set up, then so be it.

I have no problem with options being available to students. More sports options mean that more students have the opportunity to become reap the countless benefits of organized sports. I do have a problem, however, with sports being offered to girls in non-traditional seasons because schools want more gym-time for their boys. (I'd like to think that I'm in the majority in this thinking. In fact, maybe I'll start a new thread seeing what others think.)

 

I wouldn't even have a problem if, along with the girls, middle school boys were forced to choose between two major sports (such as football and basketball) because of gym scheduling. At least then, boys and girls would be receiving equal (albeit poor) treatment. It blows my mind that in some areas of the state, boys are still receiving obvious preferential treatment in sports. Sounds like some parents need to start brushing up on their Title IX laws and then start the necessary processes to get them enforced.

 

 

What sport are girls having to choose over the other?

 

I don't get the logic of way it is soooooo wrong for girls to have different season than the boys?

 

If you played everything in the same season you'd have chaos

 

 

Fall -

 

Football

Volleyball - girls

Soccer - boys and girls

Cheer leading

Cross Country - boys and girls

 

Winter

Boys basketball

Girls basketball

Wrestling

 

Spring

Track and field

Golf

Baseball

Softball

Tennis

 

 

If you are a small school like Rose Hill, Raceland, Phelps, Pikeville, and Jenkins just to name a few and you High School, Middle School, and High School share the same facility you either cut sports, or do not give the time to each sport that is needed to be succesful.

1. What sport are girls having to choose over the other?

 

2. I don't get the logic of way it is soooooo wrong for girls to have different season than the boys?

 

 

1. An earlier post had alluded to the fact that in some of the schools, volleyball and basketball are being played concurrently. That's how this whole discussion got started--or at least why I chimed in at first.

2. An earlier post also explained the negatives associated with having non-traditional seasons. AAU or Junior Olympic teams begin play after the traditional season ends. When athletes are forced to play during non-traditional seasons, they are then forced to make a choice between school ball or AAU ball. Players should not have to choose between these two leagues, as each league offers unique advantages to its players. Also, playing in both leagues gives athletes the opportunity to further hone their skills by playing year-round. Playing in multiple leagues throughout the year also helps to increase exposure for the athletes, which of course is great when it comes to athletic scholarships.

2. I don't get the logic of way it is soooooo wrong for girls to have different season than the boys?

 

This begs the question: If everything is fair in the way things are set up currently, why not let the girls play basketball during the winter and let the boys play during the fall to free up gym time? Just a thought...

Back on the first topic. The girls are doing really well right now. A lot of the smaller schools have very young teams with some sixth graders on them, I dont know if the larger schools have this or not.

Fallsburg and Rose Hill have not been beaten in the 8th grade division for the small school, and Boyd and Rowan have not been beaten in the large school.

Season has just started with most playing only 3 to 4 games so far. Good luck to all the girls and have a fun season ,hopefully getting lots of experiance.

At Owsley, with an enrollment of 400 in 7-12, middle school girls are playing now and so is high school volleyball. We only have two gyms, but we manage. We actually have 25 middle school players and enough volleyball players to play a A B and C team game during each competition. We do allow 6th grade students to play on the middle school team.