Yes, we are on the same page. Welfare and a tax cut are very different. But, it is money to you for your vote in both situations. Very different but also the same.

 

Is it more irresponsible to offer tax cuts and run up the debt or offer entitlements and run up the debt? In both situations the debt gets blown up.

The irresponsibility of politicians running up the national debt is not the fault of taxpayers. Fewer than half of working age U.S. taxpayers account for ALL of the federal income tax receipts. You are blaming the producers for the insatiable appetites of the takers.

As we look at factors that hurt Hillary Clinton, I think this is number one. I think the numbers are going to show I was on target when I said Hillary did not get the support she thought she would get from the minorities.

 

I am looking forward to seeing if Trump won the white vote by as large a margin as I expected.

There is a lot of discussion in other threads about the demographics of this election so I thought I would bring this thread back up to focus discussion on that for those interested. Here is some info I have posted in other threads along with added comments for this thread:

 

Non-College Educated Whites

 

It has become clear that the largest demographic group that moved to Trump from previous elections is the non-college educated white. That is a huge group of the total electorate.

 

About two thirds of the white voters are non-college educated.

 

The non-college educated white make up almost half of the total electorate.

 

Non-college educated white is a group twice as large as the minority vote.

 

Non-college educated white is just slightly less than the minority vote plus the college educated white.

 

Trump gained about 6% in this group in this election over Romney's results and 9% over McCain's results. Trump won this group over Clinton by a margin of 67% to 28%. That is HUGE and that is why there is so much focus on it in post election analysis.

 

Diminished African American Vote

 

This is the second biggest factor in the election. As you look at the results of the election, you could even make an argument that this cost Clinton the election even more than the non-college white vote. No one expected Clinton to get votes from this group like Obama. But, considering the perceived racism and bigotry of Trump, many expected this group to be motivated to vote. That didn't happen.

 

Number one, it looks like the turnout in this group is way down. I saw one report that in Detroit alone 400,000 fewer African American voted for Clinton than Obama. Trump has a 12,000 vote lead in Michigan. If that report is true and the black vote turns out even a little better, Michigan is a clear cut win for Clinton. Trump's vote totals were about the same as Romney's but Clinton's totals were way down from Obama's. This fact points out that low support from the black voters may actually have hurt Clinton even more than the non-college educated whites.

 

In Wisconsin, Trump won by 27,000 votes. In Milwaukee County, turnout was down by 60,000. That county went 66% to Obama. If turnout in that one county is the same this year, Clinton wins Wisconsin. Side note - Clinton did not visit Wisconsin one time in the campaign so no one to blame but herself here. Second side note - It looks like voter suppression initiatives that were new in this election worked in Wisconsin.

 

Even with those two states though, Clinton still doesn't win the Electoral College. And if you look at other battleground states that were very close races like Florida and Pennsylvania, Clinton outperformed Obama in the counties that are big Democrat counties with heavy black voting. Trump also outperformed Romney's numbers.

 

That points us back to the non-college white voter as the biggest factor in Trump's win. Trump motivated his groups to turnout in the numbers he needed and Clinton did not motivate her voters to the polls. That brings us to the last big factor.

 

Third Party Candidates

 

The results indicate that Clinton lost more of her voters to the third party candidates than Trump. This data is hard to pin down but the numbers indicate this is true. In an election decided in almost all the key battleground states by 1% or less of the votes, when 3-5% of the vote goes to third party candidates it cannot be denied that the third party vote was a big factor. If two thirds of those third party voters would have voted Clinton, then Clinton wins the election.