With all the debate in the Cov Cath Forfeits to Beechwod Thread I figured this could use some discussion.

 

How is it fair for one pitch to constitute one inning. if I were to go into a game and throw 70 pitches in 2 innings i would be able to go out the nxt day and throw infinitely more. Yet if I were to have a good outing and go 70 pitches through 6 innings, I would have to rest for three days before i could see another inning from the mound. In my opinion this rule is a little bit ludicrous. Why not just keep the ruling about 15 innings in a week, and then make the rules based on pitch COUNTS. for instance 0-27 pitches 0 days rest, 27-49 1 days rest,, 49-70 2 days rest, 70-90 3 days rest, 90 and above 4 days rest. Then when coaches call in the baseball scores down to state they should be required to send down the pitch counts for all pitchers in the game. KHSAA officials could store it on a computer or under each teams info on games. Then if this type of thing is ever wondered about they could be easily accessed. Doing this type of system would be even better for looking out for the health of the players, and woukld better benefit the teams.

 

Note: Please stray away from the CCH BW stuff here and keep it more on the possibility and modification of a rule that could frankly use a bit of reworking.

An interesting concept, but the official recordkeeping would be much more difficult. I do agree that it has some merit though.

I believe that pitchcounts mean much more than innings pitched, but it would be harder to track and easier to manipulate (by some) than innings. I have seen games when a pitcher may only pitch 2 innings, but throws a ton of pitches. Then I have seen other games when a pitcher goes the distance but didn't throw many actual pitches.

What about a compromise and count batters pitched to? You could assume that each batter takes an average of 4.3 (just a guess) pitches. While pitch counts would be difficult to track and inning counts aren't a good indicator, batter counts are already being tracked.

What about a compromise and count batters pitched to? You could assume that each batter takes an average of 4.3 (just a guess) pitches. While pitch counts would be difficult to track and inning counts aren't a good indicator, batter counts are already being tracked.

 

That could be done. Not a bad idea.

Pitch Counts should and are instituted by most high school staffs. You have a very valid point as to relation to the KHSAA requirements and pitching mandates. A combination of both, can be implemented.

 

As mentioned earlier, it would be extremely difficult and if not nearly impossible to use a pitch count method with all road games, plus out of District games, with this exception.

 

After each game, both teams report pitch count totals for "all pitchers used" to the Umpires. A Documentation form can be made and both Umpires would sign off on the number of pitches thrown and that form must be indicated to the next opponent or during games within the mandatory rest period.

 

Teams would have to rely on the opposition and mistakes could be made, so a count by both and a compromise if totals are different. A combination of Pitch Counts and Innings Pitched, is critical to protect the student-athlete arms and not allow "overuse".

 

Pitch Counts should be the actual determining factor, when a team makes a change.

Pitch Counts should and are instituted by most high school staffs. You have a very valid point as to relation to the KHSAA requirements and pitching mandates. A combination of both, can be implemented.

 

As mentioned earlier, it would be extremely difficult and if not nearly impossible to use a pitch count method with all road games, plus out of District games, with this exception.

 

After each game, both teams report pitch count totals for "all pitchers used" to the Umpires. A Documentation form can be made and both Umpires would sign off on the number of pitches thrown and that form must be indicated to the next opponent or during games within the mandatory rest period.

 

Teams would have to rely on the opposition and mistakes could be made, so a count by both and a compromise if totals are different. A combination of Pitch Counts and Innings Pitched, is critical to protect the student-athlete arms and not allow "overuse".

 

Pitch Counts should be the actual determining factor, when a team makes a change.

 

Now that's a great idea. Have the umpires sign it so its official... then have the coaches present the pitxh count sheets to the ump at the next game. If umps see a pitcher come into the game who would be deemed unofficial then they tell the coach its an illegal player and to remove them from the mound. Then you doint even really need to file the record keeping with anyone in KHSAA, just a matter of training the umpires. In addition the numbers above for the pitch counts come from Tim Kremcheck (I believe) so they are most definitely very good areas for the counts and days of rest. If the pitch counts for the two teams do by some chance differ. The average of the twoi counts could be taken. That way the home teams could not fudge and bamboozle there way through by taking off a pitch here or a pitch there, and if a team by some chance does play dirty this way, they won't be able to take entire advantage of doing so.

 

The question is, exactly who would we talk to with the KHSAA to bring about this type of proposal?

The question is, exactly who would we talk to with the KHSAA to bring about this type of proposal?

It would have to be presented to the Board of Control for consideration.