Quarterly updates tonight.

After 1st quarter of hoops......

 

NewCath 29-10

After 1st quarter of hoops......

 

NewCath 29-10

 

NCC always treats Villa with respect.

Halftime

 

NewCath 50-14

 

Starting 5 out mid 1st quarter.

Halftime

 

NewCath 50-14

 

Starting 5 out mid 1st quarter.

 

Yep, it is just one game that has to be done. Villa will play hard to the end.

End of 3rd

 

NewCath 65-22

 

Starting 5 play 1st 2 minutes, then exit.

Final

 

NewCath 84-29

While this game was a blowout, it was good to see Villa played til the end and seemed to remain poised and structured. It's unfortunate that the All A Classic is no longer "All A", with 9th region teams that I know of being HC, St. H., NCC, Newport, and Lloyd all being 2A (if I am correct). No reason for Heritage or Villa playing NCC just as an example.

While this game was a blowout, it was good to see Villa played til the end and seemed to remain poised and structured. It's unfortunate that the All A Classic is no longer "All A", with 9th region teams that I know of being HC, St. H., NCC, Newport, and Lloyd all being 2A (if I am correct). No reason for Heritage or Villa playing NCC just as an example.

 

Villa always plays hard so I'm sure they did the same last night against NCC. However, this is a basketball tournament, not football, correct? Also curious about which sport St. Henry competes at the 2A level. The Touchstone "All A Classic" is open to the smallest 125 or so basketball schools in the state. By the most recent 2 year average, Lloyd appears to be the largest school in the 9th region competing in this tournament and they are about the 113th smallest followed by St. Henry at 106, Newport 90th, HC at 89th, NCC 84th, Beechwood at 82nd smallest.

Villa always plays hard so I'm sure they did the same last night against NCC. However, this is a basketball tournament, not football, correct? Also curious about which sport St. Henry competes at the 2A level. The Touchstone "All A Classic" is open to the smallest 125 or so basketball schools in the state. By the most recent 2 year average, Lloyd appears to be the largest school in the 9th region competing in this tournament and they are about the 113th smallest followed by St. Henry at 106, Newport 90th, HC at 89th, NCC 84th, Beechwood at 82nd smallest.

 

I am well aware EG that the All A takes the 125 lowest, however that doesnt make them "class A" schools. All I'm saying is if your enrollment exceeds what is recognized as an "A" School, you should not be competing in the "All A" classic, or simply change the name to "KY SMALL SCHOOL" Classic. When this tourney was started by Steidel in the 70's, the purpose was to give the little guy a chance to compete knowing that the majority of Class A Schools would not end up at Rupp. Now, it has become more about sustaining financial levels. Fact is, NCC gets nothing out of a game with Villa, Heritage, Bellevue etc.

Since you are "so in the know" then, what classifies a team as an "A" school? I didn't know that there was a classification for basketball. If we are going to use a different sport's classification, how about using track since that could be applied to both boys and girls? NCC, St Henry, Newport, Lloyd and Holy Cross are all "A" Schools for track.

Since you are "so in the know" then, what classifies a team as an "A" school? I didn't know that there was a classification for basketball. If we are going to use a different sport's classification, how about using track since that could be applied to both boys and girls? NCC, St Henry, Newport, Lloyd and Holy Cross are all "A" Schools for track.

 

You are missing my point EG and no need to get sarcastic. The fact is, there is no "classification" in BB and I'm well aware of that, however thats a topic for another day. IF (and in theory) BB was separated by enrollment as football is, there are 41 Schools across the state that would qualify for this "ALL A" tourney. And since there is no classification, why is it even named "All A", but moving on, there has been 1 team the past 21 years that has won the "ALL A" with an enrollment that would make them "Class A" IF BB was classified with the same criteria as Football. Back to my other observation....does NCC or Newport or any of the teams in the 90-125 range of enrollment benefit from a game with a school that has an enrollment in the bottom 10-25 in the state?

Since you are "so in the know" then, what classifies a team as an "A" school? I didn't know that there was a classification for basketball. If we are going to use a different sport's classification, how about using track since that could be applied to both boys and girls? NCC, St Henry, Newport, Lloyd and Holy Cross are all "A" Schools for track.

 

What it sounds like he's saying is that the tournament should not be based on the 'smallest 125 schools' but rather an arbitrary number of male enrollment. Everyone knows that when it was first started it was meant for the truly small schools to see who was the best of the small schools. Because they were all comparable in enrollment size and therefore all competitive, etc. Now it's become something where the money is more important. If not, why do they have to stay at 125 schools? Pick a male enrollment number... Say 150. All schools with a male enrollment of that or less should be eligible for the tournament. If you have to 're-region' to make it work geographically, then do it just for this tournament. But is a school with two hundred and twenty some odd boys (NCC, in this instance) really a small school comparative to a school with sixty or seventy boys? (Villa, in this instance).

 

It's just not in the spirit of what the tournament was created for.

 

But this is probably all debate for another thread... Congrats to NC. They are big and can really shoot it. Congrats to Villa for fighting to the end.

And if Basketball were classified with the same criteria as track and cross country, there would be 94 teams eligible. Again, since track/cross country have both boys and girls teams, that seems more appropriate. That would eliminate Lloyd and St. Henry from 9th region contention. Class A in football is limited to the smallest 32 football teams in the state. So if basketball were classified the same as football, there would be only 32 teams eligible.

 

To your other point, where you argue that NCC, Newport or St. Henry, for that matter, get very little out of playing the smallest 10 - 25 teams in the state, I may agree somewhat. However, those aren't the only teams in the tournament that they will play. I'm sure playing for a state championship means just as much to NCC and Newport as it does to Villa and Dayton.

And if Basketball were classified with the same criteria as track and cross country, there would be 94 teams eligible. Again, since track/cross country have both boys and girls teams, that seems more appropriate. That would eliminate Lloyd and St. Henry from 9th region contention. Class A in football is limited to the smallest 32 football teams in the state. So if basketball were classified the same as football, there would be only 32 teams eligible.

 

To your other point, where you argue that NCC, Newport or St. Henry, for that matter, get very little out of playing the smallest 10 - 25 teams in the state, I may agree somewhat. However, those aren't the only teams in the tournament that they will play. I'm sure playing for a state championship means just as much to NCC and Newport as it does to Villa and Dayton.

 

So we can simply agree to disagree. What the "All A" is now is the lowest 46~% of the entire state eligible for the "small school" tournament, so I guess you are either large school or small school essentially. From the All A website "The inception of a small school basketball tournament began in January of 1980. The first Class "A" Tournament was held at Holy Cross High School in Latonia with eight teams. In 1981 it moved to Bellevue with ten teams, all from Northern Kentucky.

 

The 1982 to 1989 Classic went statewide by inviting six Class A schools from around the state to compete with the ten northern Kentucky schools" So I ask, without any classification, what exactly did Mr. Frey, Mr. Steidel, and Fr. Heile have in mind at the inception of this tournament? I know what the intent was, and it was to give the little guy that would NEVER make it to Rupp a chance to compete for a State Championship. The obstacle was KHSAA wanted no part of it, no classification, and thus, Ky and Delaware are the only two states that do not have BB classification. So with that, I respect your opinion, however I stand by the fact that NCC and others get nothing out of playing the little guy. They would be best suited to simply have a practice. Maybe the smaller 32 or 39, or 41 across the state(whatever the number) should opt out of the All A and organize something more competitive. :thumb: