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It is not a choice at a particular time, it should be constantly evolving. I grew up in EKY at in a very conservative evangelical church. I was straight pro-life and pro-death penalty and and you better find Jesus or you will go to hell. I was even with my mom when she worked in 72 (I was 5) to get Nixon elected, I still like what Hal Rogers does for his constituents.

When I was 25 I met the daughter of a moderate southern baptist minister and his christian social worker wife. At my first dinner with them he asked me how in the world I could be a republican and a christian. I have moved to the left ever since. A lot from their influence but more from years of working with disadvantaged kids.

It depends if any of the comments are offensive. " . . . one good person to remain silent . . ."

IMO he isn't a Muslim, only influenced by them at young age, but influenced by money for sure. There are false teachers and preachers who try to sugar coat the truth. In this case Obama is doing that. He is a false Christian IMO, anyone who condones homosexuality and abortion, and makes a happy holiday Christmas card isn't a true believer because he is denying Gods word and God by giving in to the non believers.

Because I believe differently than you does not make me a false Christian, nor does it make Obama one. Some Christians are teetotalers and others are not. Are one of those groups false Christians? Some believe the bread and wine actually become blood and flesh, others do not - are one of those groups false Christians. Many churches have women deacons, others do not are one of those groups false Christians. I can go on and on with the list.

Christianity is about your relationship to Jesus Christ and as a result your relationship to fellow humans. It is not about a belief in some dogmatic rules and regulations. Jesus wore the Church leaders out during his day because of their "belief system". Matthew 25 tells folks who will be in heaven and it does not say one word about believing the Bible to be literal or any other belief system.

Partially in jest. Rush's opposition to gay marriage has nothing to do with his own failed marriages or the domestic aspect gay marriage, therefore, flawed logic. Besides, failure generally garners high praise from the left, as long as "the intentions were good".

I am still not following your logic. Does traditional marriage mean have 4 of them, if so then Rush supports traditional marriage. If traditional marriage means "til death do us part" Rush's statement is pure hypocrisy.

Economy is doing pretty dang good right now, relatively speaking. However, you cannot compare the two.

But who defines those Human Rights....the people....those that voted on it......

Natural rights are not extended to people through a vote. They are there naturally. A vote can deny them and prevent them, but it does not define them.

The world is full of false religions. A church should let a Gay person in it, and then try to convince them to repent and change their Sinful life...God doesn't change, man does.

Here is the problem with YOUR religion. You have not set foot in my church, not met the people, don't know the pastor. We read the and understand the bible differently than you. Your religion has taught you to sit in your chair at home and judge what is in my heart and the heart of people in my church. Maybe that is false religion.

Maybe churches who elect smokers as deacons practice a false religion because smokers are obviously sinners. (For the record, I am not comparing smoking and being gay. I think smoking is much more harmful to the individual and the community, I am not aware of any second hand gay).

Maybe your religion is false in that you accept the scripture as inerrant, when we know facts like parts of Mark were added much later and reflected the teachings of the community and not the author. We also know that the paternalistic, conservative, world powergrabbing, catholic church of old, ARBITRARILY (too strong of a word but it gets close) chose which books were to be put into the Canon (does that have two "n"s).

Maybe your religion is false because you don't choose to practice true hermeneutics or exegesis. Maybe because you let your culture color your interpretation - as we all do.

I am not going to judge your religion and say that it is false but how dare you sir, say that mine is.

Now, it is one in the morning so I am not nearly as indignant as this sounds, but it is much more fun to pound away on the keyboard like I am indignant.

FWIW my father-in-law was a professor of preaching and hermeneutics at Southern Baptist Seminary when, in his words, it was still a reputable institution and I never want to speak for him, but I think his beliefs are much more in line with mine than with yours. What does that say, I don't know, but he is a learned man and well respected in his field. The Catholic, Thomas Merton, was the subject of his dissertation.

He believes differently than you - does that make his religion false?

Do you care to mention the denomination?

Baptist, formerly Southern, now Cooperative.

"Let it be written, let it be done". But, like I said somewhere else let them have benefits for their special person. Its funny none of my debaters have brought up that I have said that many times.

Not even sure what this means. NVM, I understand now that I am writing.

Just so glad we live in a democracy where the voice of the people counts and can be heard. I hope you don't have an issue with that, do you?

I do when the voice of the people trample on human rights.

With the help of his wife, she apparently had say in it also. Wonder what else she has say so in. Maybe she pulled the trigger on OBL. I guess he and she will go against what the church teaches for 4 more years. They are Christians aren't they?

My Church doesn't teach that. Don't assume every christian everywhere believes the same as you. There are many churches that are open and accepting of gays and celebrate with them when they can make their relationships whole.

Perhaps, although one can find many critics (inside and outside of the intelligence community) of Clinton's decisions to dramatically cut the CIA's budget (I believe it was by 25%), institute a hiring freeze at the CIA and dramatically degrade the human intelligence capability. From what I've read, morale at the CIA during the Clinton years was low. Part of it had to do with the whole Ames situation no doubt; but part of it, from what I understand, had to do with Clinton's decisions affecting the CIA. I'm pretty sure I've read that a 1,000 agents/operatives retired or left during the Clinton years. Whether it can all (or even partially ) be blamed on Clinton or not, the intel gathering, sharing and analysis capabilities of the US prior to 9/11 was pretty poor from what I've read. Necessity is the motherhood of invention as they like to say (or in this case, provide the impetetus needed to reform the intel community) , so perhaps Clinton would have made the strong moves that Bush made after 9/11 that laid the foundation for our much better intel community today. But again, from what I understand, Clinton degraded not improved the intel capacity (in particular but not limited to human intel gathering resources) of the US during his years in the WH.

 

Is it your conclusion or opinion that Clinton strenghened the intel capacity of the US? If so, could you provide links to supporting articles. I'd like to read them as it differs from what I understand. Always willing to learn more. Thx.

i was being facetious.

By 2011 the pundits were saying, and are saying now that it is the Obama economy. If it is the Obama economy, it is the Obama Kill.

Isn't being separated from God for eternity the punishment for being a non-repentent sinner? If so, how can their be degrees of punishment?

There are those who would say that you can be further and closer to God. Just as I am sometimes very close in my walk with God now, some sometimes I am very far away.

Been far away for a while.

And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.

² And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?

 

³ And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;

 

⁴ How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?

 

⁵ And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

 

⁶ And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered.

 

⁷ And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him.

 

⁸ But he knew their thoughts, and said to the man which had the withered hand, Rise up, and stand forth in the midst. And he arose and stood forth.

 

⁹ Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?

 

¹⁰ And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

 

¹¹ And they were filled with madness; and communed one with another what they might do to Jesus.

 

¹² And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.

 

¹³ And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

 

¹⁴ Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew,

 

¹⁵ Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes,

 

¹⁶ And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.

 

¹⁷ And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases;

 

¹⁸ And they that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed.

 

¹⁹ And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed them all.

 

²⁰ And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

 

²¹ Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.

 

²² Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

 

²³ Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

 

²⁴ But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

 

²⁵ Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.

 

²⁶ Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

 

²⁷ But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

 

²⁸ Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

 

²⁹ And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

 

³⁰ Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

 

³¹ And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

 

³² For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

 

³³ And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

 

³⁴ And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

 

³⁵ But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

 

³⁶ Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

 

³⁷ Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

 

³⁸ Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

 

³⁹ And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

 

⁴⁰ The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

 

⁴¹ And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

 

⁴² Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

 

⁴³ For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

 

⁴⁴ For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

 

⁴⁵ A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

 

⁴⁶ And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

 

⁴⁷ Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

 

⁴⁸ He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

 

⁴⁹ But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.JOHN 7:24: "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

 

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LUKE 12:57: "Yea, and why not even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?"

 

PROVERBS 31:9: "Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy."

 

LEVITICUS 19:15-17: "Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor. Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbor: I am the Lord. Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbor, and not suffer sin upon him."

 

EZEKIEL 22:2 & 23:36: "Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the bloody city? Yea, thou shalt show her all her abominations... The Lord said moreover unto me, Son of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? Yea, declare unto them their abominations."

 

MATTHEW 3:2,7: John the Baptist preaching, "Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"

 

MATTHEW 23: Jesus publicly rebuked the hypocrites, "Woe unto you... hypocrites!...ye blind guides...fools...full of extortion and excess...whited sepulchres...full of hypocrisy and iniquity...Woe unto you...Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"

 

 

JOHN 3:18-19: "He that believeth on Him (JESUS) is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already,because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

 

JOHN 12:48: JESUS CHRIST said, "He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that through him the whole world might be saved.

For the literalists on here, what do you do with Paul when he says that "All Things are Permissible, but not all things are beneficial."

Mr. Alighieri, has no clue, go to Luke 16:19 and read what this guy Jesus says about Hell. In fact Jesus spoke about Hell more than any other person in the Bible.

I am not sure that Jesus EVER speaks about a literal hell. He does talk about Gehenna which was a garbage dump outside of town.

I think he should get just as much as bill clinton gets.

If he gets credit for something that happens 2 years after he left office because of the ground work he laid (although he himself said UBL was not that important to him) then he has to also get credit for the miserable economy that was occurring 2 years later.

Exactly. You'll be loved by your neighbors, you'll be accepted at your church, you'll be able to wed the person you love. Not sure why they're hiding.

No one will bully you, or post nasty things on facebook or twitter . . .

AL I think you missed the initial sarcasm. People stay in the closet because there are all kinds of people who are not accepting of the differences. I have read stories of probably 10 kids this year who have committed suicide because of the bullying that took place once people found out.

That is the reason for the 'It Gets Better' Campaign.

Some pay into the system, and some want the system to provide for them...from cradle to grave.

Do you have a link to support your assertion of anyone wanting the system to provide for them from cradle to grave?

I would say that this is not an uncommon belief judging from how I've heard religious people speak about homosexuality...

Some religious people.

One of my biggest problems with President Obama is that he takes credit for everything that goes right and blames someone else for everything that goes wrong. I don't know how many times I have heard him say that "I killed Osama Bin Laden", when I do believe it was the Navy Seals. Every bad that happens was Bush's fault. The only thing positive President Obama has done is use the drones to kill the enemy. And he does get credit for giving the order to get Bin Laden, but he did not kill him. The President is using class warfare and racism to divide the country. I respect him as President, but not his actions.

He has never said that. So the reason you don't know how many times you have heard him say it is because you have not heard him say it all.

So I'm listening to Dave and Jimmy on 104.5 this morning and the subject is "things that should be divulged on a first date - already had children, etc.

 

So this comes up. You're at a nice restaurant on a first date and right after the food arrives, your date says "wait just a second", then prays prior to eating.

 

If I heard correctly (and there's always the chance I didn't), the two young ladies on the show said that there would be no second date; that this was a sign of being "super religious". Kinda surprised me some; although maybe I shouldn't be since this is radio, and it is part of the flaming liberal media.

 

Thoughts? Is this a sign of being super-religious? Would/should a second date be a no-go?

No meaning to hi-jack but why is anti-religious liberal? I consider myself rather religious and rather liberal. Ayn Rand is the conservative darling and is an atheist.

Name the bastion of 'liberals' on BGP. I'll get you started.

 

PP92, mcpapa, rockmom.

 

 

Who else is there? 3.....2.....1....... Go.....

I am offended again

SN - My friend who just passed away who did not go to the doctor because he was working poor and may have been able to catch the cancer that ate away his liver. I do not want to live in a world where the lack of insurance and therefore lack of preventative care allow my friends to suffer a die. President Obama is my best HOPE of changing that system.

Nice try but since most in that situation have paid taxes on income then they have contributed to society, not taken from it. Apples to Kumquats.

So if I paid taxes last year I can vote, even though I am not paying them this year?