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All over Europe.

 

Here in the US: Centralized banking or central planning, Social Security, welfare, extended unemployment, government regulations in the market, subsidies, The New Deal, medicare and medicaid, student aid.

 

Any form of the government taking money from taxpayers and putting in place where they deem it proper is socialism. When they take freedoms, restrict choice of an individual and regulate the market for the sake of the masses is socialism.

Have you not heard of a 'Mixed Market" Economy?

Plus, where in the Constitution or Declaration does it talk about Capitalism?

We the PEOPLE

in order to form a more perfect UNION

establish JUSTICE

ensure domestic tranquility (PEACE)

provide for the COMMON defense

promote the general welfare

secure the blessing of liberty to ourselves AND our posterity.

Really think about those words and think about the East India Tea Company and how it was in bed with the british government and how that government was passing laws to benefit a company as opposed to taking care of the people and the rebellion that ensued.

You want pure capitalism, but you want government protection for certain companies as well. We don't want pure capitalism because we end up with monopolies like Ma Bell and imagine if one Airline controlled the skies. Pure capitalism allows wealth to be concentrated, what our founding fathers envisioned was for WEALTH to be shared by all.

I'm not sure what you are asking. That is my interpretation of "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

If it is literal, it means that we literally have to "pass through" Jesus to get to heaven. What does that even mean? Not directed at you TB, just using your quote.

An interpretation could be that because of what Jesus did, all can get to heaven.

I don't know, but the point of my post was that crime went up in two of the biggest cities after their gun bans went into place. So banning guns in Chicago and DC didn't seem to have the desired outcome of lower crime.

Unless you do and in depth study you can't reach this conclusion. Did the economy tank after the ban and does crime usually go up when the economy goes down? Too many factors

Singing protest songs is great. I always liked protest songs. I hate going to a concert and listening to someone spout on and on about their political views, though. Doesn't matter if it's a Dixie Chicks type or a Ted Nugent type, I'm a "shut up and sing" kind of guy in this regard.

 

One question I have for those that are dead set against Chick-Fil-A on the comments that were made is; where is the tolerance from the ones that are preaching tolerance? Tolerance is only applicable when it falls in line with their way of thinking?

I don't really understand your point. Being intolerant would be saying he doesn't have the right to feel that way and I would try to deny him his right to sell chicken. He has the right to sell it, and others have the right to buy it, and he has the right to his opinion. Disagreeing with someone is not being intolerant. Intolerant is saying "I don't believe in Gay marriage, therefore you can't have marriage equality."

Ok guys how would you have prevented this idiot from legally getting his guns , ammunition , hand grenades , etc . Remember he purchased everything legally . I believe in the second amendment btw . lets hear some ideas .

The assault weapons ban that expired in 2007 (2004?) banned the AR 15 and multi -clip. He would not have been able to get those legally 10 years ago.

It's the liberals not waiting, they try to pounce on everything they feel is for them and try to lay blame on everyone but themselves. Maybe if the economy was in good shape and not being ran into crap by the most liberal president of all time this may not have happened, maybe the guy would have had a job and no time to think about that stupid stuff.

He was a college student, not an unemployed POOR liberal.

I used "spoon" rather than "fork" with someone when I was discussing the same topic yesterday. I also said that we might want to ban sex, too, because that leads to abortions.

You mean like with abstinence only education?

I just find it ironic that we were all suppose to ignore Obama's past in the 2008 election but Romney's is fair game.

Holy Cow, we talked about everything about his past. Birth Certificate, his preacher, Bill Ayers. They were all explored extensively, the problem is there was nothing to any of them. He is an American Citizen, he sat in a Church where on occasion the preacher spoke out about the ills of America, and Bill Ayers - a free American citizen - had some kind of political acquaintance with the President many years ago.

It is kind of hard to believe there are that many people without any form of identification.

It depends on what the state says they are accepting. Many elderly do not drive and they are not taking wedding licensces and how many elderly people have their birth certificate lying around . . . I would be hard pressed to find mine. Many states are accepting NRA/Hunting licenses but not student ids. Why not? Many students do not drive so their ID is their student ID. Accept them and go on, unless your purpose is to suppress the vote. I thought our soldiers fought so that people could vote, not so that some come be denied.

Before it was brought to light on here a few months, I was shocked at how little effort or screening it requires to cast a vote. I understand the expense of having to purchase an id, but to me having someone just walk up and say they are "Joe Smith" to me is more troubling. Our so-called most important right as a citizen hinges upon the honor system. Wish it was like that when trying to buy booze a few years back

How many cases of voter ID fraud has there been, for this to be such a large problem.

From Nancy Pelosi.

“What is happening here is shameful," said Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., who argued House Republicans are more politically motivated in attacking Holder than getting to the bottom of the failed operation, in which at least two of the guns were connected to the fatal shooting of U.S. border agent Brian Terry.

 

How can she say this, they were trying to get to the bottom of it but the WH and AG would not give them the info to get to the bottom of it.

Know they are not. Read the Forbes article and see if any of those folks have been called to testify.

What a bunch of racist themselves, the black caucus walks out over the vote on the black Eric Holder, I wonder if a white guy were to be charge and every white person walk out and leave.

They walked out b/c the members that are voting for this are stupid and haven't given Obama any legitimacy since he was elected. EVERYBODY knows this is a ruse, even you know its a ruse.

We are teetering at the edge of the perilous slope of eugenics. In our society, babies are being treated like pet goldfish: Don't like what you got? Flush it down the toilet!

Except the whole debate is a red herring.

As a Devout Catholic Christian I would like to know what does it mean to be a Baptist ? It seems like every congregation has a different answer to that question .

That is kind of what it means to be baptist. Initially it was the autonomy of the local church, among other things of course, but autonomy was the big thing.

First, I would have to think that if the church has denominational hierarchy that they were reprimanded, or at least I would hope they were.

Secondly, calling someone a homo brings reproach on the body of Christ.

Thirdly, the kid is right. "Homos" as well as murderers, liars, adulterers, and every other unrepentant sinner who has yet to accept Christ as their savior "ain't gonna make it to Heaven". He is THE WAY, the only way and my faith totally hinges on that fact.

Key to your quote is in bold.

How can you even know who is going to heaven or not?

I should add it's the best May in 5 years.

 

Crazy.

imagine if we weren't practicing austerity and not laying off all of those teachers that we did in May and were actually hiring them.

Couldn't disagree more. If you believe in the Bible then you have a pretty good idea. Not that we know "who" individually will go, but we are told how to get there and what not to do to lose it.

So if YOU believe in the Bible, YOU can know if I am going to heaven? That is pretty remarkable.

Yes, unless I am missing something about the video. The sound quality is kinda bad. The kid sung a song, that we are in assumption was a church service or something to that affect.

To suggest that anyone, christian or not, knows who is going to heaven is silly.

Can't say I'm surprised.. Lawmakers, Activists Target 'Gendercide' Sex Selection - Yahoo! News

No they don't.

Boy isn't this forum full of a bunch of smart donkeys. Hahaha

 

I would be curious to see the classes he took and how he did, but heaven forbid anyone question anything about Obama.

Please don't act like you were just being curious. . . AAAAND you question EVERYTHING about the President, not just anything.

But right to work doesn't force an employer to hire you. Right to healthcare forces someone else to give you healthcare.

I think there is some twisted logic there.

On the other hand, if you are accused of committing a crime, you will have an attorney appointed if you can't afford one, however, if you are sick (but have done nothing wrong) you will not have a doctor appointed. Logic seems fairly poor there as well.

Philosophically . . . If there were no guns would there be a right to own one?

Jesus is often referred to as the Great Healer.

"We are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights among these are LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

I would suggest that reasonable access to healthcare, given our society, is more than implied in this.

The government is not a business.

In my case, it was also a matter of my political beliefs evolving. I grew up to parents who were both Democrats and whose friends were all Democrats. I was influenced by their beliefs as a young child and frankly just accepted their beliefs. When I went to Centre, I was taught to think critically and while remaining a Democrat, I started examining the Democratic and Republican principles. When I went to law school, I was taught to think analytically and by the time I finished law school, I had changed my party affiliation to Republican as I felt the Republican principles more closely matched my beliefs. By the time I left active duty with the Marines, I was a hard core conservative. Frankly I was, to paraphrase a country song, a Tea Partier before the Tea Party was "cool".

 

Since then, my beliefs have moderated somewhat. I'm still a conservative with libertarian streaks. I think I've become (others will surely disagree) much more practical in my beliefs, or perhaps more accurately, the application of my political beliefs. I attribute that to my practice of law over the last almost 30 years, which is driven by thinking critically, analytically and logically but needing to compromise to move my clients' business forward. While the TV image of lawyers is one of confrontation, in reality it's one of negotiation and compromise, developing/determining leverage and applying it, and minimizing emotions in the decision making process.

 

So with me, it's not a hard wire issue, but rather a issue of my political beliefs evolving based on learning and life experiences. If evidence is shown to prove the author's theory of hard wiring is correct, I must have a lot of breakers in my wiring system that have been "tripped" to cause my political beliefs to have changed so much over the years.

Shockingly I too am a Centre Grad and I finished law school. It is just that I finished it by Thanksgiving of my first year.