theguru

2) School districts don't self impose boudaries. To change a school districts boundaries they have to have state board approval. For example, Laurel County schools couldn't decide to include half of whitley county in their school district. And since those that live outside the Laurel County district don't pay taxes, they can't afford afford to let those students come in mass. I think you don't get get it, or are ignoring it.

 

 

Again, if it's okay to seperate by size. I don't see the problem in seperating by the mode in which students are attracted.

You are wrong! Schools do self impose. Their boundaries are set (but that doesn't mean a thing) because any school that wants to is free to take students from anywhere which means public schools and private schools are both able to take students from anywhere but some public schools choose not to do so.

Guru, explain please the following question without bringing any other sport.

 

If it's okay to seperate FB into classes based on size. Why is not okay to also provide seperation based on how schools get their students. I don't think that anyone would argue that private schools have a competitive advantage over similar sized public schools. Just like big 4A schools have a competitive advantage over small single A schools. So if it's okay to make classes based on competitive advantage in FB, which is currenlty being done. Why is it not okay to also apply that same theory to Private schools. They still compete for a state championship, it's just in another classification.

I misunderstood this before.

To answer your question because even if it was the way you are stating (it is not) it is still apples and oranges. Football is classified because it is not fair for a school with 100 boys to have to compete with a school with a 1000 boys. This is exactly why basketball and baseball should be classified too.

Now, on to how schools get their students, I will repeat this again because everyone either ignores it or just doesn't get it:

You can't self impose restrictions on your own school district and then complain that others won't do the same. The practice is not only stupid but it is un-american.

Guru every time someone comes up with an argument your response is work harder. That in itself is a disadvantage, if a student at a private school does not have to "hustle, raise money, share playing fields, find someone else other than their parents to ride them to and from practice" then they have an advantage.

That is some funny stuff. What do you call paying tuition on top of paying taxes?

If you know they get a raw deal on funding, they how can you say they "can always add on and add teachers"? Wouldn't that pretty much make it unavoidable, thereby making open enrollment not an option?

This has already been covered, socialism is the problem here. Local schools should be a product of the local community.

I know the Boone County schools are crowded and I know Boone County gets a raw deal on funding but my point is there is always room for more students and you can always add on and add teachers which means this is NOT unavoidable.

I guess that means if I adopt ten kids tomorrow they can't go to school in Boone County...

This is worth repeating because a lot of people either cannot get this one through their head or choose to ignore it:

You can't self impose restrictions on your own school district and then complain that others won't do the same. The practice is not only stupid but it is un-american.

But that is a local decision. In other words, the schools in Kenton and Boone county could take out of district students if they wanted to. This one is NOT unavoidable.

I am not bashing, I think the All A Classic is great but it is NOT a state championship.

Guru, are you trying to say that the system in place now creates a level playing field? Are you also saying that the large private schools have no significant advantage over public schools? If you answer yes to the first question and no to the second, you obviously have blinders on. Saying that, I'm not for creating another division, fair or not if you are a competitor you want to beat the best.

I am asking a question, I want to know what advantages private schools have that are unavoidable. For example, Trinity and X do have a size advantage but that is NOT unavoidable.

How about this, you tell me what unavoidable advantages private schools have and I will defend against you.

I do believe that Title 9 (or lack of) in an all boys or all girls school is an advantage. Not sure how much, but it is an advantage. However, this is still the government getting involved where maybe they shouldn't be so you could still argue this is not an unavoidable advantage.

Titan, to sum up my thoughts on this issue, I think most of the "advantages" are perceived, the public schools are their own worst enemy most of the time, and most (but certainly not all) public schools need to do a better job. In other words, public schools need to put all this effort into improving their own school(s) instead of trying to eliminate the competition.

Mex,

I am not trying to be funny but I either have missed or don't understand your question? Please ask it again and I will do my best.

Also, please be specific by what you mean when you said, "Fact: the private schools have a competitive advanatge that public schools CAN'T get."

I like this comment the best:

"Julian Tackett, an assistant commissioner of the KHSAA, said basketball realignment, which was just completed in the last year, would be shot to pieces if public and private schools are separated."

You mean those 100's of hours I spent fundraising for my public school was simply a waste of my time? Because Uncle Sam would have given it to me. WOW. Someone needs to tell us these things in the public school because we sure don't know about.

No, you are taking it out of context. Read the post I quoted again. All I am saying if "some rich booster" is a sugar daddy then what is Uncle Sam?

Whoa, Danville a bit out the blue on this list also to me. I would have thought coach Harp would have better ideas than this. But then again I think a lot of people on this list have been "persuaded" to endorse!

I think Coach Harp has been on this bandwagon in the past.

Rebel,

Boyle County is the enemy too because Boyle makes most public schools look bad.

There are some interesting proposals, there is a Highlands rule, a North Laurel rule, a Covington Holy Cross/Trinity/X rule, and several ones designed to make it hard on private schools.

Also, what is the deal with James Sexton from Eastern high school? That guy is on a warpath...

Link to the proposals

Yes, but I think Frank was in the 10th grade.

Hey guru, what do you think of Highlands' chances in 3A now? I still think they're right there close to the top. Is my optimism warranted, or am I just delusional?

We need to let the dust settle and see how they do against CCH.

Hey, we went 2-13 last year, and it didn't stop you from being at about half HHS' games... why stop going now!!!!!!! :thumb:

 

You know you love 'em!

Have you been hanging out with them Conner coaches again?

Here is the list of co-sponsors:

Male, Manual, and Scott County are co-sponsors of the "Kick the private schools out of the KHSAA proposal." Let me be the first to say I am very disappointed in these three schools. Nothing like having your cake and eating it too.

Anyone?

Yowza!!!!!! I did get the smack-down put on me!!! That will teach me! :creepy:

 

I'd better watch it. I need the guru to feed my Highlands football picture addiction. If I lose my supplier, I'm screwed!!!!!

Hey, if you guys don't start winning this well is dry!

Maybe there aren't any Real AND Unavoidable Advantages??

I won't go that far yet but that is the general idea.

Hey, if you can dodge cars on Man O' War, certainly you could dodge an oncoming pass rush with ease!

If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball!

What space are you talking about? There is a farm behind Dunbar that is not Dunbar's you can't steal the land. Other than that there is a parking lot where the band practices. The softball field and the baseball field. What land are you talking about?

 

I never said numbers was a huge thing I said it helps because you don't have girls anyone would agree with that. 1400 Boys and 1400 Boys and Girls Doubles your boys. I never said it made you a better team I said it helps and I think anyone would agree with that.

If space is an issue you guys need to get out and hustle or rent space.

On the size, that is NOT unavoidable, with less public schools in Fayette County you could have larger schools. Don't divide your talent and then claim someone else won't do the same thing.