AnswertheBell

I don't think that's totally correct about the private not ever accepting boundaries. If my memory is correct (and it may not be), I think the privates were willing to accept boundaries when the KHSAA's task force was trying to find a compromise acceptable to both groups.

You may be right. I'm just looking back at post and most say that they will continue to serve their areas. You look at Lex Cath and they serve all the way to Middlesboro. Many have said, on here, that they will continue to do that. I don't know that for a fact. I just think that the private schools would remain open, especially the football playing ones.

You are my new HERO!

LBBC has a great idea, have you went any further with this ? Post a new thread if you would and see who folks think would join open class and how they think this may work.

I know that the KHSAA folks take a quick peep @ this on occasion.

Obviously we can't know how many would move. Personally, with the growing importance placed on the need for a very solid high school education as well as on high school athletics (right or wrong, its happening and going to get even stronger), I think the number that would move in the urban areas (where the open enrollment situation is most prevalent) would be high. Again, I'll admit, its impossible for me to know that. Right now they don't have to move because schools can accept OOD students if they want to and there are no geographic boundaries imposed on the privates. But if LBBC's proposal open vs closed proposal came into effect and geographic boundaries were now imposed on the privates as the publics have advocated, then there would need to be moves if kid wanted to attend a school that was closed or wanted to attend a private school with geographic boundaries imposed. I have zero idea what Highlands would do if they were forced to make the choice of remaining open or going closed. I only used Highlands as an example.

I understand that. Privates will never accept boundaries, so they would stay in the open class, I believe all privates would. So others could join them so they would have enough to play.It would be interesting to see who would elect to join them. I think that it is a wonderful plan, the more I look at it and think about it.:thumb:

They both know what defeat taste like from the Rock. Either way when next years re-alignment happens I always heard HHS and CCHS were dropping back to 4A?

To my understanding Cov.Cath has 5A numbers and just can't bounce back. Highlands wants to play with them then they will also stay. Highlands posters can clarify. I believe they are there for a while and will only go up in numbers.

I may be missing your point, then again you may be missing mine. You want to allow like schools to compete against like schools. Open enrollment schools vs other open enrollment schools and closed schools against closed schools. My point was even if you enacted it, I don't think it would provide the desired effect. Highlands could go the closed school route. Do you think that would stop any parent that formerly lived outside the city from sending their kid to Highlands? I don't. I think they'd simply move to Ft. Thomas so their kid could attend Highlands even if it was a closed school. I likewise think that if the privates were required to put some mileage boundary in place, that all it do would result in a large number of parents moving within the mileage boundary. All of them? No of course not. But I think a majority of parents willing to pay big bucks in tuition and willing to drive long or even moderate distances back and forth each day for school and athletic events, would be willing in a lot of cases simply move into the boundaries/school district. If I'm right, that would defeat the purpose of your proposal wouldn't it? Wouldn't it also have an adverse economic effect of varying degrees on the finances of the former school as the move to a new district would reduce ADA monies? Couldn't it also adversely effect the community where the family used to live? (My thinking on this point is along the lines of lets say I was upset with the academic and athletic situation at Highlands. The KHSAA said you had to live within 10 miles of CovCath to attend. I believed in the great importance of the high school education to the point I made the decision to move out of Ft. Thomas into Park Hills. Am I and my family still going to be involved in Ft. Thomas civic matters? Probably not. We're going to get involved in Park Hills civic matters. Ft. Thomas loses out, although some would say it would probably a good thing if I left town:D). Furthermore by being forced to move to a new town so my older child could attend a different high school, it would probably seal the fate that my younger children would not attend Highlands. Instead of losing just one child, the school system may lose all my children and the community lose a family that had been very involved.

 

Bottom line, I believe your proposal may fall into the "be careful what you ask for, you just may get it" category.

I believe that you are right in that some would move, but maybe, not as many as you would think. Simply because of economics. I also wonder why those you mentioned would change what they they are doing and go to a closed district. Why would they do anything different than they do now. As many have stated private schools would not change, period. Why would Highlands? I do understand what you are saying. I just don't think it fall into the category.

Bell has a tremendous kid and a true weapon in Merrick. Wish him the best in his final year.

I think he meant in district. Throw in the two Laurel Counties also. If Harlan County gets designated 5A and gets Larkey as HC, look out!

I can see them winning the district 1st year in........after that things get tuff.

Most likely it will be 5A. The competition will include Whitley, Letcher and Clay.

 

Also, it's Harlan County High School.

HDE also Highlands, Cov Cath......ect.......so......

Best of luck to Jennifer Hilton and Kevin Hembree in the All A Classic. They will be representing the 13th region.

Please, someone show me a level playing field ANYWHERE in the world, and I'll eat this keyboard. No way, no how. You level one area, and that just changes something else.

 

Male and Manual should be very worried...they're next!!!

Thats why we have no rules or policies in sports.

The foul situation is due to one team in a zone and the other is playing man to man. I thought is was a very well called game and I don't have a dog in the fight and could care less who wins.

I'm sure that the KDE approved the school district boundaries when they were originally set up. I do believe two adjacent school districts can agree to adjust their boundaries if they want to and KDE would approve it. I even believe that if the two districts won't agree to an adjustment, that one district upon a proper showing can get KDE to make the adjustment. I believe the Ft. Thomas district tried to do the latter to get the part of the city that is not in the Ft. Thomas District added to the district's boundaries since the Campbell County District would not agree to the change but KDE said no (which makes zero sense since its only a few states and the Campbell County District has to send buses into Ft. Thomas to pick up the kids not in the Ft. Thomas District.

 

But that's a completely different issue than being able to accept out of district students.

Thank you.

What Sticky was getting at, I think, is the fact that local boards of education have the unfettered right to accept out of district students if they so choose. If the out of district student comes from a district with which the attending school has a reciprocity agreement (which is voluntarily entered into between the two districts) then the attending district gets the state ADA money and the home district does not. If there is not reciprocity agreement because one of the two districts would not agree to it (and thus the attending district does not get the state ADA money), the attending district normally will charge the out of district student some amount of tuition to compensate the attending district for the cost of educating the out of district student. At least that's what I think Sticky was trying to say. :laugh:

I completely agree with that and understand it. I was asking where this started? I don't believe that a school board said we are going to take this much of an area ect......I believe that someone set these to start with. I would think the Ky. Department of ED.?

Who else would set them?

 

That's a lot of people's point. Why should the KHSAA make private schools or independent schools draw borders and impose restrictions on themselves. The public schools can do the same if they so choose.

Why does the state not just send the money there then? Who set them to start with?

I would believe that the Ky. Department of Ed. determined zones with ADA moneies?

All boundary restrictions are made by that particular school board. County, city, independent, private...doesn't matter.

 

If there's a reciprocal agreement between the school district where the kid lives and the school district where the kid is attending, the ADA is passed on by the home school to the out of district school. If there is not a reciprocal agreement, the child forfeits those fees to the home district and the out of district school usually charges more to cover the ADA.

 

Recipient schools can charge whatever they want but would be silly to charge less than the cost of providing an education for the student.

OK , however seems to me someone had to set these other than a school board. If there is an disagreement who solves this? Why not just incompass what you want as a board?

AtB, are you serious? :lol::lol:

Meaning as an institution we are resposible for educating these students? ADA money for these zoned students?

Just looking at what ladiebballcoach posted and I do believe he/she is versed in this.

There are no boundaries restricting anyone from attending any school. There are only self-imposed boundaries set by local school districts.

Does the state not set educational boundaries?

"Depends on how you are viewing boundaries."

 

"State sets boundaries in which the school is responsible for educating those students within those boundaries unless the parents remove the student from the district by providing them with an alternative education choice, such as private schools or homeschooling."

 

"A local school district could choose to extend those boundaries beyond what the state requires."

 

Quote from ladiesbballcoach in another thread. Interesting who really does set the boundaries. Education and athletic boundaries should be the same.

Anyone?

Looks like a lot of people owe this man an apology. It looks like he takes full responsibility for his statements and cartoon.

"Depends on how you are viewing boundaries."

"State sets boundaries in which the school is responsible for educating those students within those boundaries unless the parents remove the student from the district by providing them with an alternative education choice, such as private schools or homeschooling."

"A local school district could choose to extend those boundaries beyond what the state requires."

Quote from ladiesbballcoach in another thread. Interesting who really does set the boundaries. Education and athletic boundaries should be the same.

Thanks. Perhaps some other posters can provide some intel on the youth and middle school programs in the areas surrounding Lex. I'm told that Lex does not have a very coordinated youth football league, that the league(s) and teams aren't really affiliated with any particular high school, and that the school board puts some restrictions in place years ago that really has set back their middle school football program. Further, I'm told that those restrictions have resulted in some kids transferring into the Catholic middle schools so they can play in the LC middle school football program. Which is sort of ironic isn't it? The public schools put pressure on LC to prevent any middle school student attending a public middle school from playing in the LC middle school football program. As a result, they have lost kids entirely to the LC affiliated private middle schools, where once there, a lot of them are probably out of the public system for good. I'm also told that with the restrictions placed on the Lex public middle school football program, that soccer in Lex has really blossomed and with basketball, has become the sport of choice in Lex which has further hurt Lex high school football. I've heard those comments from numerous sports affiliated people in Lex, including football coaches and including people in the public high schools. I don't know that the comments are true, but based on the frequency that I've heard the comments and the credibility of the people making them, I'm inclined to beleive that they are true. Yet people wonder why the public high schools in Lex aren't more successful in football. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out why they are not more competitive with T and X, which benefit greatly from a very well ran Catholic youth football league in Lou. I'll say it again, having a youth football league that is well ran and "connected" with the local high school is the greatest determinant in developing a strong football program year in and year out. A strong youth league gets young kids interested in football early on while they are "sampling" sports; it teaches them fundamentals; and it can "tie" them emotionally with their local high school. Coming from someone that has seen first hand how Highlands football program has benefitted from the Ft. Thomas Jr. Football League, I know those things are true.

I guess this can apply to most things we here about private schools as well.

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

OK, Now I'm finished.

I would love to have 27% new roster next year. When it made of some of the best in the area. Guess what we have 100% from Bell.

I'm done with privates justification of their programs.

It won't be long, a split is comming.

As nice as it is to talk with you, we continue to go in circles. I respect your point of view, but don't agree with it. It simply boils down to boundries and aid with me along with the recruiting of students as a whole school experience. I believe that this is just to different. Why, how, and whose fault ...I believe one thing and you another. I can say this, at Bell we work as hard as anyone and we have just as much parent involvement as you. I look forward to the next time Lex. Cath comes here, I do believe we will see you again next year on Log Mountain again. I don't want to put the cart before the horse, we should. Maybe we meet in the endzone for a coffee.

By the way things are quiet in Harlan County. Who are the Bears after now. Any word on the next coach. Nothing has been posted in the last week or so?

Bell Co. has more males in the school than Lexington Catholic. How do admissions policy cause us to have a greater number of players on the roster?

Athletes, not players. We can put players on the field.

You take kids form many counties. I mentioned this earlier....Our roster will be the same as last year minus 6 seniors and new freshman...Lex Cath lost 33 seniors, but how many will be on there that didn't come from their middle school. I saw in an earlier post that they don't have a middle school football program? How is this possible?