Ram Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 What does West Carter need to do to improve in 2009? What do they need to keep doing to be successful? Remember, please be constructive.
BigSpikes Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 They need to find a viable replacement at quarterback for Ace Puckett, also, as an Alum of West Carter, I am extrememly fond of Kevin Brown as a person, but Kevin Brown as a coach not so much. I think perhaps an offensive philosophy change, as well as a defensive philosophy change would do wonders IMO. The Belly has run its course IMO, and the 3-3-5 is just not a very practical defense in an area of Kentucky in which 95 percent of the teams that West Carter is going to face will run the ball.
PRIDENEVERDIES Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 They need to find a viable replacement at quarterback for Ace Puckett, also, as an Alum of West Carter, I am extrememly fond of Kevin Brown as a person, but Kevin Brown as a coach not so much. I think perhaps an offensive philosophy change, as well as a defensive philosophy change would do wonders IMO. The Belly has run its course IMO, and the 3-3-5 is just not a very practical defense in an area of Kentucky in which 95 percent of the teams that West Carter is going to face will run the ball. I think Coach Brown runs an offense that fits his kids and they run it pretty well. The 3-3-5 is an 8 man front defense, so it can be used to stop the run or pass depending how you personnel is used.
BigSpikes Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 I think Coach Brown runs an offense that fits his kids and they run it pretty well. The 3-3-5 is an 8 man front defense, so it can be used to stop the run or pass depending how you personnel is used. The problem is that the WC coaching staff does not use their personnel right in either instances IMO. Take the 2005-2006 team, a team that should have won more than 5 games and made the playoffs. Daniel Barker was a smart, mobile quarterback with a decent arm. He would have been suited much more in pro-style or spread offense, Bradley Thronton was a tough runner that rarely took plays off, Adam Waggoner was a quick running back that was capable of rushing for 1,000 yards both his Junior and Senior year, in an offense that did not have the majority of its carries up the middle. Also, Justin Wolfe was an extremely good receiver, with exceptional hands a great build. Had he been an offense that was geared more towards getting the ball to its playmakers, he could have ended up playing college football somewhere-perhaps Morehead-and Lance Lykins, someone who didn't have the greatest hands in the world, I'll admit, but he had good open field speed and could have been effective with bubble screens and things of that sort. I am not saying West Carter would have won the state title, or even beaten Russell, but they were definitely better that 5-5 that season and no playoff appearance. I think the Belly has run its course at West Carter, I can respect the fact that Offensive Coordinator Brian Brown had tremendous success at Lawerence County running the Belly, what I do know is that he had the greatest recevier in Kentucky High School history in Gerad Parker, a D1 running back in Michael West and a great Quarterback in Jason Michel, who ended up winning a National Title at Western Kentucky and is now coaching in the NFL. I don't know of any player that the Browns have coached at West Carter that have come close to any of those three, and I don't forsee that happening anytime in the future. Also, I will have to disagree with you on the 3-3-5 being used as an 8 man front. It consists of 3 down lineman, three linebackers, a safety over the top, 2 corners, a stud that can be used like an extra linebacker and a rover is usually an extra safety. So to me, it is a defense that would be easily used to defend the pass. If you had the athletes, you could disguise it as being an 8 man front, but West Carter hasn't had those in the 3 or 4 years it has been used.
CatsCatsCats Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 WC has some nice up and coming players including RB McKenzie McGlone and WR Cody Stamper. I would expect that Harrison Bond will probably play the QB postion. The biggest question mark, atleast in my mind, is the offensive line. I think it is pretty open as far as who will getting playing time up front, as I can only remember one or two returning starters to the line. Defensively, they will be a little inexperienced, but I think they may be a little quicker than they usually are. As for a change at WC, I think the first change that has to be made is in the expectations. People in Olive Hill are happy with getting into the playoffs and making a long trip to Belfry, instead of using each season as a stepping stone to improving the program. K Brown is a good guy and about as good of a role model as people could ask for in leading their children. I'm not going to get into an offensive/defensive philosophical debate as those who know me know that I'm not a fan of either the belly or the 335, but I'm not the coach so my opinion is really not important. As for a new coach, it would be hard to get a proven winner to take the WC job, IMO so I don't know about that. West and East Carter have some of the worst football facilities around and basketball will probably always be the top dog, atleast in Olive Hill. Overall, I think WC will be in contention for the 3rd spot in the district, and while they aren't ready for Russell or Mason, I think they can play with about anyone else on their schedule.
titleist Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 The problem is that the WC coaching staff does not use their personnel right in either instances IMO. Take the 2005-2006 team, a team that should have won more than 5 games and made the playoffs. Daniel Barker was a smart, mobile quarterback with a decent arm. He would have been suited much more in pro-style or spread offense, Bradley Thronton was a tough runner that rarely took plays off, Adam Waggoner was a quick running back that was capable of rushing for 1,000 yards both his Junior and Senior year, in an offense that did not have the majority of its carries up the middle. Also, Justin Wolfe was an extremely good receiver, with exceptional hands a great build. Had he been an offense that was geared more towards getting the ball to its playmakers, he could have ended up playing college football somewhere-perhaps Morehead-and Lance Lykins, someone who didn't have the greatest hands in the world, I'll admit, but he had good open field speed and could have been effective with bubble screens and things of that sort. I am not saying West Carter would have won the state title, or even beaten Russell, but they were definitely better that 5-5 that season and no playoff appearance. I think the Belly has run its course at West Carter, I can respect the fact that Offensive Coordinator Brian Brown had tremendous success at Lawerence County running the Belly, what I do know is that he had the greatest recevier in Kentucky High School history in Gerad Parker, a D1 running back in Michael West and a great Quarterback in Jason Michel, who ended up winning a National Title at Western Kentucky and is now coaching in the NFL. I don't know of any player that the Browns have coached at West Carter that have come close to any of those three, and I don't forsee that happening anytime in the future. Also, I will have to disagree with you on the 3-3-5 being used as an 8 man front. It consists of 3 down lineman, three linebackers, a safety over the top, 2 corners, a stud that can be used like an extra linebacker and a rover is usually an extra safety. So to me, it is a defense that would be easily used to defend the pass. If you had the athletes, you could disguise it as being an 8 man front, but West Carter hasn't had those in the 3 or 4 years it has been used. What I remember from seeing several of West Carter's games this year they were a spread type of offense, several different formations,etc??? When was Brian Brown ever at Lawrence Co.??? The Comets competed/played hard against Belfry this year in the playoffs. The Brown brothers are 2 of the best guys you will ever know!!!!!
BigSpikes Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 What I remember from seeing several of West Carter's games this year they were a spread type of offense, several different formations,etc??? When was Brian Brown ever at Lawrence Co.??? The Comets competed/played hard against Belfry this year in the playoffs. The Brown brothers are 2 of the best guys you will ever know!!!!! Brian was a coach at Lawrence Co. during Jason Michel, Michael West and Gerad Parker's days. He brought the Belly from Lawrence with him West when he joined his brother, Kevin. I am not trying to be rude, but the way I feel West Carter has the best shot to improve is to maybe move in a different direction with their offensive and defensive philosophies. FWIW, I played under Kevin and Brian both for 3 years, before I move to NKY, they are both great people, but being a great person doesn't mean you'll be a great football coach.
CatsCatsCats Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 What I remember from seeing several of West Carter's games this year they were a spread type of offense, several different formations,etc??? When was Brian Brown ever at Lawrence Co.??? The Comets competed/played hard against Belfry this year in the playoffs. The Brown brothers are 2 of the best guys you will ever know!!!!! 1. Spread offense and spread formations are a different thing. WC has never ran a spread offense. You may be talking of the Flexbone, which is the base formation they run out of, but it isn't spread in philosophy. It is really more power running, semi-option based, just as if they were in the wishbone or power I, which they also run. This year they incorporated some double slot with a single back and ran some fly sweep, but it was more, IMO of a change of pace rather than a part of their base offense. 2. Brian Brown was an assistant at Lawrence for a few years before getting a teaching/coaching job at West Carter. As stated before the coaches are good people. Very few people would have much bad to say about Kevin Brown as far as I know. Once again as a WC alum, what I would like to see changed are how people in Olive Hill view football. For instance, the WC crowd cheers when the Comet defense makes a stop after a 30 yard run. Yes it is better than giving up a touchdown, but I think people should realize when the boys have made a good play and when to cheer. That is one example. People also talk to the boys telling them that WC will never be able to compete with the likes of Russell and Mason, and most years East Carter. WC may not be on Russell/Mason's level now, but if you are a fan of any team I hope you would think that you could build up your program to higher and higher levels. Instead of complaining about who we can't beat, I think our community should strive to get to those levels.
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