It's called common sense. What we try to accomplish by invading those countries has failed. Spare me the Jack quote. People like you shouldn't assume. I served my country for 4 years, got out with an honorable discharge and did a tour of duty in Afghanistan as an Infantrymen in the Army. So your silly guilt trip is not going to work on me.

 

No silly guilt trip.

 

You call me paranoid. You want to call people names. How about discussing something like an adult?

 

You have your opinion, I have mine. We disagree. That's fine. Leave the name calling to the 3rd graders.

 

I assumed nothing. Plenty of people have served their country. Thanks for your service.

"Sadaam killed almost a million of his own people prior to the war. How many hundreds of thousands more would have been killed in the last ten years if he was still in power? His own people tried and hanged him. Now, I spend a lot of time in Europe, and the war was unpopular in Germany and France because it went against their financial interests. I can tell you, as much as they like to think they are progressive...they are parochial to their own interests and it has never been in their vernacular to unilaterally put their behinds on the line to aid other countries. This may be harsh, but I was attacked many times by Germans who seemed to be more interested in our politics than their own. I get the sense that many of our liberals...maybe like yourself...spend more time buying into the propaganda on CNN, and worry about our popularity in Europe, rather than studying history and/or psychology to try to understand yourself how the world works.

 

Did we solve all the problems in Iraq or the middle east? Of course not. Did we stop the genocide against the Kurds by Sadaam?"

 

The only person that hasn't studied history is you. We can not afford to continue what we do. You and capt278 keep thinking our best defense is an offense idea by invading these countries and it has FAILED. We got Bin Laden with 24 men. There was no need to have 100,000 there. Besides Sadaam wasn't a bad guy to us when we supported him in the iran-iraq war. We all know how that worked out.

 

You are really clueless how many it took to get bin Laden. How many years, millions of dollars and man hours do you actually think it took to get him?

You are really clueless how many it took to get bin Laden. How many years, millions of dollars and man hours do you actually think it took to get him?

 

Not clueless at all, if you think we went about it the right way in Afghanistan or Iraq, then it is you that is clueless. When we first entered Afghanistan, it was succesful and it came no where close to the man power that had peaked years later. You said millions of dollars and man hours, thats a lot better than 650 billion dollars we wasted there.

We left support because we needed them as buffers against the Soviet Union.

 

I believe it was Henry Kissinger who said America has no allies, just interests.

No silly guilt trip.

 

You call me paranoid. You want to call people names. How about discussing something like an adult?

 

You have your opinion, I have mine. We disagree. That's fine. Leave the name calling to the 3rd graders.

 

I assumed nothing. Plenty of people have served their country. Thanks for your service.

 

Being called paranoid is name calling? lol that's a first. You did assumed, you assumed and tried to lay the whole I want to sit around camp fires and sing while innocents die crap on me.

Being called paranoid is name calling? lol that's a first. You did assumed, you assumed and tried to lay the whole I want to sit around camp fires and sing while innocents die crap on me.

 

Welcome to your first then.

 

We just disagree. Plain and simple. You're entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

 

I'm not going to continue to clutter this thread with our back and forth. You won't change my mind nor will I change yours.

Welcome to your first then.

 

We just disagree. Plain and simple. You're entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

 

I'm not going to continue to clutter this thread with our back and forth. You won't change my mind nor will I change yours.

 

I concur and thanks for your service capt278.