BogeyMan

We have all stated the reasons Mays does what he does. If it hurts people's feelings. So be it. those kids have worked their tails off to earn the right to play more than half of a game. the JV players get plenty of time in the JV games. Other teams that have not put in the time and work should not have to be made to feel better about themselves by letting the score be held down. If you want to be in the game, then work for it. Mays isn't thinking about anything but his own team, period. It should not be his problem to worry about the other teams players or fans getting their feelings hurt. My last post on this subject, period. It is really a pointless exercise.

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For the record, again, it humors me that there are people out there complaining about a team/coach running up the score, but those accusing 9 times out of 10 weren't even at the game (basketball or football), and didn't witness exactly what took place. There was even someone complaining a month ago about officiating of a game, that they were listening to on the radio? :confused: How does one know if its a good call or a bad one by not being present at a game? :confused: Same goes for someone not at a game where the score is lopsided! Be realistic people!

 

Plus, a coach has a job, to win, and a coach who has a good team also has a job of preparing his team for the districts and regional, as well as for Rupp!

 

Elliott has a superior team this year and should be winning, and winning big! Their top players need to be on the floor as much as possible, conditioning themselves for those games when the starters and the first few subs need to be on the floor every second.

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We have been carrying Elliott Co for years, not on a weekly basis like we do East and West, but we have always carried the Elliott games with East and West, the All-A Tourney and a couple of other games of interest like district games when possible. Rick Mays is Rick Mays, whether he has a team that is awful or a team that is great. He has always kept his varsity players to a minimum (many times out of necessity) and has always tried to keep his big minute guys to 7 or 8, win or lose. Should he now change his ways after 27 years just because he might ruffle some feathers?

 

Yes, he is blowing teams out and some feel he should play his subs some more and yes, there are times when other coaches feel like he is exacting revenge for those "lean" years. But I honestly don't think Rick is trying to embarrass anyone. Rick is all about kids and he wouldn't do that to kids. I didn't perceive a "run it up" attitude last night. Coach Webb didn't say anything negative about Coach Mays or his players in the post game (on or off the air).

 

Rick Mays is Rick Mays, with a great team or a terrible team. He just happens to have a great team right now and I think there are a lot of jealous people out there. When a team is winning against everyone in the region, then the fans of 15 other teams tend to band together and make some strange allies against them. Remember a few years ago when Rose Hill was dominating the region? Mortal enemies were joining together to bash Mayo, Dawson and the gang.

 

With that said, while I may not agree with everything Rick does, I respect the fact that he has been in this game for 27 years and in many of those years won very few games. I also respect the fact that he has been consistent in his approach to the game for 27 years. I don't think Rick does what he does to embarrass anyone or "exact revenge." I have had the opportunity to talk to Rick quite a bit this season, he is having fun with this team. As he said in an interview earlier this season, "These boys are making my last years at Elliott Co very enjoyable....I'm having a good time."

As usual, you hit the nail right on the head. He does it the same way all the time. When other teams blew his weaker teams out, he never said a word about someone running up the score. His theory is that those big minute players have earned those minutes and they are going to play those minutes. If you will recall those Mayo years, when many teams were ducking Rose Hill, Elliott County played them once or twice each season, getting pounded in some of those games and never did you hear anyone from the Elliott staff complain. He will do the way he has always done it until he retires, if he ever does. After some of those lean years he deserves to enjoy this team.

They don't play until Saturday

Congratulations to Jonathan Ferguson. No one works harder or deserves it more. What a quality kid!

As for the game...yuck. Elliott was on a mission, and came out hot, and stayed that way all night.

As for West, this was a complete embarrassment. West Carter was intimidated to start the game, and after Elliott raced out to a 13-4 lead, the Comets just gave up. Elliott played well, but the margin in this game was decided by the Comets. No effort tonight, no one dove on loose balls, turnovers vs. a man to man press, I would say 5 of those 16 first half turnovers came in the last minute of the half. West made little to no effort to slow the game down, dont know why, they would have to keep Elliott in the 60-70 point range to even have a chance. I will be the first to say the officals let the game get a little out of hand towards the end, luckily no one got hurt.

As others have stated in previous posts, Rick Mays needs to sub when his team is ahead by 50 points. Atleast 3 starters on the floor at one time until the final 1:30, that is crap. I dont want to hear that he has been beaten up for years and he is just getting his revenge now. When was the last time West Carter tried to embarrass Elliott? I bet you can't name one time, Neither Jim Webb, Grady Lowe, Stan McGlone, or Jeremy Webb would want to do that to anyone. With the way the game was going I would have been scared to death to have a starter in there for fear of a big injury. Just trying to get to 100 points to rub it in a little more. Elliott is too good a team to be doing this to people. Honestly though, its not the kids, its the coach, I know that just venting some frustrations.

You have got to be kidding. Elliott's pressure defense and shooting decided the margin. Over 60 % from the field and 22-24 from the line along with forcing 20+ turnovers will decide a lot of games. As for the subs, Mays has always played only 7-8 people his entire career, win or lose. He's done it for close to 30 years and I don't see that changing now just because he has a team that blows some teams out. He went to the 9th man last night in the first half which is unusual for him. It is also obvious that he is playing Ferguson and Timmy Knipp at the point late in these games to allow them to work on some different skills for college scouts. They deserve that opportunity. It is not done to embarrass anyone and most coaches realize that.

West is much improved from the first meeting, but they MAY be running into a buzzsaw tonight.

I don't think anyone associated with Elliott County's team is counting any chickens yet.

16th-East Carter, no contest.

Surely, BogeyMan of al people could have figured out the true intent

of this thread.

I did.

I still think east is a solid #2 and they proved it in Sandy Hook. Rose Hill's schedule and success within the region puts them at #3 and West Carter is rapidly proving they may be a top 5 team.

Congratulations to all. This may be the longest an Ashland-Rose Hill thread has ever stayed open!!!!

No! 61 Ashland Tomcats, and don't think even many Elliott fans will dispute this. Lets wait and see what happens the next couple of years before this should even be discussed.

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So if he is hurt and the ref makes the call your okay with it? Again whether it is called or not isn't the issue. How about the coach teaching the kids properly. You are barking up the wrong tree in regards to making "any ref" friends aware. I am sure they are aware.

Then they should call it.

It is a foul and should be called. The rules book defines an airborne shooter as a player who has released the ball on a try for goal and has not returned to the floor. It further states that the airborne shooter is considered to be in the act of shooting. (Rule 4.1.1 & 4.1.2) I have seen that this is not consistently called. I think sometimes the ref follows the flight of the ball and doesn't stay with the shooter long enough to see if there is contact. This is a "no-no" on the refs part. The airborne shooter is very vulnerable and needs to be protected. The foul needs to be called.

Somebody send a memo to 16th Region officials. They don't know about this rule!:sssh::sssh::sssh:

few observations of some posts in this thread:

as for ferguson not getting the benefit of the whistle, i truly hope you are not serious.

johnson(east) would love to get the same whistle some other players in this region get

 

as for baker being at the scorers table, the officials stopped the game and any coach

would want to know what is going on: the official scorebook was the reason for play

stoppage so she hurt your momentum

 

bogey man you need to see more games throughout the region and check out the other 16th region coaches

From reading the update posts you were not at this game, so I am not real sure about how you can attack my post.:madman:

You are right. It's not a big deal, but it does get old!

I have not read that this was an excuse. Just a comment on the game. East played a great game and almost pulled it off. Elliott won the game and no excuses are being made for the score. I am sure that the Elliott staff is happy to have survived this one and will address some of the shot selection problems that occurred at crucial times in the game. If any of my posts were interpreted as an excuse, then I apologize. That kid needs no excuses made for him here after he scored 22 against some of the best defense I have seen this year. He is a strong player and he does take a beating during games around the basket.

Just another cheap shot from the beaten Tomcat radio man!

Few observations of some posts in this thread:

As for Ferguson not getting the benefit of the whistle, I truly hope you are not serious.

Johnson(East) would love to get the same whistle some other players in this region get

 

As for Baker being at the scorers table, the officials stopped the game and any coach

would want to know what is going on: the official scorebook was the reason for play

stoppage so she hurt your momentum.

 

BogeyMan you need to see more games throughout the region and check out the other 16th region coaches.

I have seen every coach in the region. I stand by my earlier post. Hicks is a close second on whining, but the clear winner on all around fits!

Agree outcome was not affected. Completely disagree on ferguson, and not on the 3-pointers. He gets killed when he goes to the basket.

Nice win for West. Top to bottom I would have to say the 62nd district is the best in the 16th!

Have to agree. Surely three of the top 6 or 7 teams are in the 62nd, and Morgan is competitive in the region.

Elliott's a great team and will set many school records this year. But you can't take anything for granted. This close call will help Elliott in the long run.

Great win for Rowan. I am now eating a big plate of CROW!

Great win for Rose Hill. The tough schedule will pay off in the end. What's up with the Ashland offense? I have never seen a Tomcat team have such a tough time scoring.