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Lone Oak has ZERO wins of decent quality and got smashed by what has now been shown to be a pretty average PT team. Lone Oak had their whole defense when they played PT. Owensboro hung 45 on Lone Oak...you don't give up 45 and get to blame it on injuries.

It's a long season, dude. Tilghman was playing pretty well at the start of the season, and Lone Oak fell behind early but was in the game before their starting quarterback was lost to an injury. They certainly weren't smashed. Really, what happened in Week 0 doesn't have a lot of bearing on what is going on now.

Not saying WE is better than Lone Oak, or anyone else for that matter that they have not played, that's what the games are for, but rather, I point out the lack of strength in your arguement against East or Owensboro. Both those schools have beaten quality opponents, the school you argue for has simply LOST to a quality opponent.

Bottom line ... if Warren East played a more challenging schedule, they might have more support for a top-10 ranking.

Warren East has one win of decent quality ... Monroe County. With the exception of South Warren, the rest of the non-district schedule barely has a pulse.

Just another thought...how is Lone Oak, who does not have a single quality win, ranked over Owensboro who has beaten BOTH Lone Oak and Lafayette?

 

Owensboro even has a better top-quality loss than Lone Oak...Lone Oak's top qulaity loss: Christian Co.; Owensboro's top qulaity loss: Bowling Green.

Owensboro also lost to Madisonville, and I've seen Madisonville. I think Lone Oak will beat them, but Lone Oak also has some big injuries on defense right now. We'll see how it goes.

Part of the problem, and this is the biggest culprit IMHO, but E-town's schedule last year and this year is ridiculous. As a matter of fact, it's the 3rd toughest in 3A according to Calpreps.com (only behind Central and Bell County).

 

Their losses have come to:

Central Hardin 4-3 (6A)....middle of the pack 6A program, but 90% better than most all 1A-5A schools.

DeSales 5-2 (2A)...only losses coming to Central (only loss is to X) and an undefeated PRP

North Oldham 5-2 (4A)...only losses coming to South Oldham in OT and Collins.

Bardstown 6-1 (2A)......still in the Top 10 of every 2A poll.

Beechwood 4-3 (1A).....need I say more?

Lou. Central 6-1 (3A).....word on the block is that they have won 4 of 5 finals and favored again?

 

Say it all don't it? Needless to say, they are 2-3 average teams on their schedule from being 3-4, 4-3 at worst.

 

E-town is doing just fine. I wouldnt wish that schedule on any 1A-3A school with the exception of a few (and, those all have the hardware to validate playing a schedule like this).

But let's face it ... some of the E-town teams of the recent past would have been very competitive with that schedule. The problem is the program, not the schedule.

I dont think you can take Nicholas out of the top 10 (PR #9), after losing to the #5 team in the state. They were, by rankings, SUPPOSED to lose.

Rubber arm could probably throw 200 pitches on short rest.

Which is really the beauty of six classes. It makes the road to the state title easier for the top programs and for those beyond the top 4-6 in a class it gives them an inflated sense of how good they really are. Wow that was harsh.

Call it what you want. It is "ridiculous" to insert a program that is not a Class 1A program currently. Its a ranking of current 1A programs based on history. What you are trying to do is a different ranking.

That's the most ridiculous thing I have read on here in quite a while. That's saying something because I read every post that UK#1FAn writes.

 

And the answer to your question is YES, it does mean they don't get in these rankings.

Lexington Christian was in Class A from 2007-10, which is in the time frame that VOR is referencing.

Besides, Class A now is different that Class A was from 2007-10 because of the 32-team limit. We're comparing red apples and green apples, at the very least.

Plus, you have Lexington Christian, which was one of the best programs in Class A from 2007-10. Just because they are in 2A now, does that mean they don't belong in these rankings?

Russellville belongs somewhere up on the list. The Panthers played up in 3A from 2007-10, made the semifinals once and barely lost to eventual champion Paducah Tilghman in the quarterfinals in 2009. As long as John Myers is coaching there, they will be a factor in Class A for years to come.

I suspect the staffs from Paducah Tilghman, Fort Campbell and Trigg County were represented ...

That's how it works. Same way your team has an impact on your RBI's, runs scored, ERA..etc.

Trout and Cabrera should be judged on their own merits, not those of their respective teams.

I think the Angels were overrated from the start, thanks to some offensive issues. Vernon Wells is the worst contract in baseball, and there were big questions about a couple of outfield spots, where there are supposed to be big hitters. The bullpen woes cost them dearly, too.

And they underachieved with a larger payroll. $20mil should be worth more than one win.

They're going home, that's all that matters in MVP talks. No Cabrera and the Tigers don't win the division. No Trout and the Angels still go home.

 

Not taking anything away from Trout but in terms of value, the guy whose team goes to the playoffs because of his ridiculous season has more value.

Trout actually was the biggest contributor on the better team. Unfortunately for them, the bar was set higher for them.

In the true essence of an MVP, it sure is difficult to vote Trout over Cabrera. One candidate nearly single handedly (I know that's not possible) propeled his team into the playoffs while another's team still fell short. Like it or not, that has to be considered.

It's down there. But when they're real close it loses it's luster giving it to the guy with significantly less wins/more losses.

The Mets average right at four runs per game ... with Dickey on the mound, it's 4.6

The Reds average 4.15 runs per game ... with Cueto on the mound, it's 3.8.

So ... Dickey has 20 wins, in part to good run support. Cueto has 19 wins with less than average run support.

The only thing we have to go by is the numbers. You can't assume that if Cueto didn't have to pitch so many games in GABP his numbers would be better. As a matter of fact for that to be legit arguement his road numbers would have to be considerably better then his home numbers and they aren't.

I would go with the Marlins. The Phillies, you could see it coming with a good chunk of the offense starting to show its age. The Angels also had offensive issues at some big-bat positions. Boston, as AJG said, were decimated by injuries and poor seasons from Lester and Beckett.

Watching MLB Network tonight as they declare R.A. Dickey and Clayton Kershaw as the two top candidates for the NL's Cy Young Award.

My question ... why not Johnny Cueto?

Their raw numbers are very comparable, as are those of Gio Gonzalez, also mentioned as a candidate on MLB:

Cueto ... 19-9, 2.78 ... 217 IP, 205 H, 49 BB, 170 SO, 1.171 WHIP

Dickey ... 20-6, 2.69 ... 227 IP, 185 H, 54 BB, 222 SO, 1.050 WHIP

Kershaw ... 13-9, 2.58 ... 220 IP, 167 H, 60 BB, 221 SO, 1.033 WHIP

Gonzalez ... 21-8, 2.89 ... 199 IP, 149 H, 76 BB, 207 SO, 1.129 WHIP

Cueto doesn't have the most impressive raw numbers of the group, although they are essentially close. The biggest difference is that Cueto pitches in what is easily the best hitters' home park of the four pitchers mentioned.

Now, their road numbers:

Cueto ... 9-6, 2.77 ... 123 IP, 119 H, 35 BB, 90 SO, 1.249 WHIP

Dickey ... 10-3, 2.81 ... 102 IP, 91 H, 24 BB, 106 SO, 1.120 WHIP

Kershaw ... 5-4, 3.24 ... 91 IP, 69 H, 25 BB, 93 SO, 1.025 WHIP

Gonzalez ... 12-4, 3.31 ... 108 IP, 82 H, 52 BB, 115 SO, 1.233 WHIP

Cueto's numbers are certainly comparable, at least. Note that Dickey and Kershaw have pitched the majority of their innings at home, where their numbers are better with the aid of their ballparks.

Actually, Cueto's numbers are a bit better at home, too ... certainly not aided by GABP, however.

I know Dickey is a great story and has the New York media pushing him incessantly, but for my money, Cueto deserves the award. He's been just as consistent and just as good as everyone else while pitching in a generally tougher environment.

It's a relative measure. His fielding % and range factor make him adequate.

Bottom line ... he's not a good third baseman. If he was, he never would've been moved across the diamond.

I'm not criticizing Cabrera for this. He shouldn't be expected to be an average third baseman, and he moved without complaint. But in terms of evaluating players and their value, defense has to be considered. That is where Trout has a huge edge.

Albert Pujols major struggles early in the year have nothing to do with that? It's not all Trout but he's pretty awesome.

 

Trout is the only person in history with 30 HR, 45 SB and 125R

I'd say "adequate" would describe Miggy's D.

 

That's nowhere near how you would describe Trout's.

May want to make sure your numbers are accurate next time.

 

He hit .254-5-6 in September.