westsider

It's pretty close to the league average for OBP from a leadoff guy.

A top of the order guy doesn't need to have any power. Get over the fact that you want a leadoff guy with pop.

Are you just mad he only played one year for the Cubbies...

A .346 career OBP is solid. You can try to twist it anyway you want, but that's a fact.

Still a .100 point improvement over what the Reds are getting from their leadoff spot...

 

Then stick him in the 2 hole....His OBP is .380 there in the same sample size...

So you ignore where I use his OBP from last year?

 

Cincy is in first place by 3 games. Imagine where they would be if they could get somebody on in front of Votto...

Again, his OBP isn't exactly a strength, and it doesn't make up for his other issues. He signed a minor-league contract with the Phillies, which tells you there wasn't much demand for him in the offseason. There is a reason for that.

I doubt his arm would make a difference at all, IMO. Maybe a run a month, if that.

 

As far as offensively just take a look at this point...

 

Joey Votto hits .384 with runners on and .368 with RISP.

 

The Reds leadoff position is getting on base at a .197 clip.

Pierre is getting on base at a .359 clip. That's 16.2% more at-bats for Votto with a runner on...

 

Even if you use his OBP of .329 of last year (which was his lowest by far since 2008) then that's still 13.2% more at-bats for Votto with a runner on. That's going to equal a lot more runs.

If your team is in a position to where Juan Pierre is considered an improvement, your team has some issues.

So an improvement to the current team wouldn't have been a good signing?

 

Makes a ton of sense to me.

He played about 2 and 1/3 years in Denver...He has put up the majority of his good years in Fla, both Chicagos and LA...FLA is not a hitters park and im not sure that Denver had an affect on him either because he doesnt hit for power...

He hits leadoff if he doesnt score how is that his fault...He does everything he can do to get on including bunting and stealing and he has speed...

You make it sound like your version of the ultimate leadoff hitter is Drew Stubbs...

Over 2000 hits...An average OBP just points below. 350...An average for his career of just under. 300...Same number of walks as strikeouts...Over 550 steals, 87 triples...

 

5 straight seasons without missing a game...Led the league in base hits 2 times, top 5 five times...10 straight seasons top 5 SB's...Top 5 singles ten times...5 times top 5 in Sac hits...10 seasons top 5 in ABs per K

If he plays every day, who cares if he isn't that good? He doesn't walk all that much, so who cares if his walks and Ks are close? And what do sacrifices and ABs per strikeout have to do with determining what is a good player? If he's bunting that often, his team must not think he's a very good hitter.

You have basically said through all of this that you would rather have Harris than Pierre...Absurd

I think that's what westider is confused about. You, mobarr, and I are all on the same page.

It's much more productive than what the Reds have received from their leadoff hitter to date.

He has had a very very productive career though, you are not making any sense...And he is still having a very productive year, tell me what from an offensive standpoint isn't or hasn't been productive about Pierre? I don't want to hear about his arm in LF that is why he plays LF everyone knows that, he still has good range and your not going to give away games with him being out there...For the Reds he would have been signed to be nothing more than a Left Handed hitter off the bench just like Harris was signed for...However if he hit for the Reds like he has hit for the Phills he would have forced his way possibly into majority Starts in LF and the lead-off hitter...

What difference does it make if his offensive numbers came from playing SS Defensively or 3B? :deadhorse:

Link? I've not seen that offer on the table from IU.

So far this year the average for the # 1 spot in the order is a .319 OBP and a .699 OPS

 

2011: .328-.727

2010: .329-.711

 

Pierre obviously supplies no power, but he could be useful for the Reds at the top of the order...

 

I'm not sure how you say his stats aren't productive when they are roughly the same as the MLB average for leadoff hitters.

Why do you think that every 3B has to be a power hitter? If you get your dongs from another position you don't have to have a hammer playing 3B. Rolen certainly doesn't equate to a power hitter anymore.

Cozart simply won't hit enough to be anything remotely better than an average 3B, and it would be a waste of his defensive skills.

The Paducah Sun reported that the umpires' ruling was that the lead runner was obstructed ... I haven't seen the video and wasn't there, so I don't know how valid that call is.

^^ .361 OBP this year. I'm embarrassed to even post the OBP for the Reds out of the lead off spot. That .361 would sure look nice.

That's what I was thinking...I'm a huge Cozart fan I love his defense and his bat has lots of potential...However If that trade would ever go down Cozart would shift to 3rd...Epstein is now saying that Castro is unavailable though, he is the future of their team...I was wondering how long it would be before Theo would shoot down the Castro talk...For what it's worth I don't think Hamilton and Corcino would be enough to snag him anyways and like I said I definitely wouldn't be willing to part with them...The Reds system is pretty bare with Star caliber prospects and I would trade almost anyone but those two...

You need to know a lot more :thumb:

 

Anyone is crazy if they wouldn't have rather Signed Pierre over Harris in the off-season to perform the same role on this Reds team...Both players were signed to identical contracts, $800,000...

Unless Pierre was suddenly converting to the infield, a little dicey given that he's left-handed, the comparison is invalid.

If you're going to compare Pierre to one of the current Reds, compare him to Ludwick and Heisey, the guys that play the same position.

And Pierre wouldn't have been a wise signing, at least for use as an everyday player. In the last seven years, he has put up a .334 OBP and .685 OPS ... that isn't productive.

Juan Pierre would actually be a great pickup, he has played well this year and they should have signed him during the offseason...

If the Cubs paid alot of Soriano's salary would anybody want him in LF?

Also it says the Cubs would listen to offers for Castro for 2 big time prospects, would Hamilton and Corcino get it done and if so would you guys do it?...Bryan Lahair seems like a cheap possibility as long as he could be decent in Left...

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Quentin has been on fire since coming off the DL...He is also playing in SD which I guess doesn't matter because he hasn't played there enough yet, but it would be nice to get him before he falls into a SD funk...Quentin in Cincy in LF batting Cleanup would be a huge upgrade...He has been in the news since coming off the DL as being available...I think I read the Padres would love to ship him soon since he has come off the DL with a bang and is value is probably higher than it will be all summer, especially once he starts hitting at Petco...I believe the Padres get nothing for him if he walks after the year and they got him from the Sox for 2 low to mid level prospects, if they can ship him off now for a few prospects with value they may be able to get a good return on their investment in him...

 

I would be willing to give them either Stubbs and or Leake from the ML Roster and anyone not named Hamilton, Corcino, Lutz or Cingrani from the farm...The Reds could surely come up with an appealing package between Stubbs/Leake and one or two of Soto, Joseph, Rodriguez, Bowe, Vidal and Gregorius...

Leake would have some value.

Umm.. no. They offered 2 at Lucas Oil PLUS a home/home after that.

 

Deal killers for UK: home/home & 4 year deal