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14-7 end of 1st

Bowling green scores again 14-7 with 3:51 left 

Both teams score on their first drives 7-7 with 4:59 in the 1st

21 hours ago, Jumper_Dad said:

I'm glad Jumper_Dad Jr is training them now and not on the streets.

I understand completely. I watched my brother climb the ladder from KSP dispatcher to Lt. Colonel in charge of the operations division. He stepped down from that role to get closer to home. He's close enough to retirement now, and has been off the streets long enough that I don't think he'll have to deal with these animals anymore. 

2 hours ago, REALSPORT said:

Fair enough.  I just find it interesting what level of quality that people expect from high school refs.  Someone once told me that the expectation should be between 100% accurate on the high end (which is seldom attained but should still be the goal) and equal to the level of play on the low end.  Meaning pro officials are expected to be more competent than pee wee officials - because the level of play on the field is better.  That's the minimum.

Old baseball umpire's adage: (Officiating) is the only job where you're expected to be perfect on day one and get better from then on.

1 hour ago, WHO'S NEXT? said:

Verizon in Paducah has 5 G in selected areas of town. And my reasoning above has already been confirmed to me by someone within the Paducah school district. 

Wireless hotspot? Graves County born and bred, and still can't believe how far behind the infrastructure for such things is in the Purchase Area. I've traveled through all kinds of back roads with the hotspot in my F-150 and never noticed any issues. 

36 minutes ago, Jumper_Dad said:

Yes, there was an outside investigation into the cheerleading program. I'm not sure what triggered the investigation. 

I don't doubt you're right. I was citing what started it. I am 100% sure the state would not investigate any other activity for this. They don't even enforce their own rules for such things. 

1 hour ago, Jumper_Dad said:

I don't think it was a local admin decision, it sounded like this decision came from the findings of an outside investigation. 

 

I must have missed the part where the state was involved. Again, it's overreach. This literally started because a kid was cut in the spring, and then the coaches allowed a transfer student onto the roster. Tell me what other activity the state would "investigate" over such things. 

On 9/3/2023 at 12:44 PM, Jumper_Dad said:

It was talked about by a caller on KSR. They are bringing in outside judges to score tryouts and the team will be expanded to the same size as other schools of that size...according to what was on the radio.

A quick review of KHSAA rosters shows they have 17 athletes on the roster with a student population of just over 1000.

I wonder if a student had a problem with not making the football or basketball team if the school admin would force the coach to have a second tryout period with "outside judges." 

"Expanded to the same size as other schools of that size" is relative. Depending on what division the coach feels the team will be strongest, they may take a certain number of athletes regardless of school size. Pulaski Co has 1200 students and a roster of 16. Somerset has 500 students and a roster of approximately 30. Cheerleading is different in that schools decide how many kids are going to go on the competitive mat. It can be anywhere from 6-30 with a mix of males/females. All girl teams are divided into 4 team sizes. Coed is separate from all girl. There are two Gameday divisions that have both all girl and coed teams in them and can be small with up to 16 or large with 17-30.

I'm lucky that my AD doesn't try to force this type of nonsense on me. This is unnecessary overreach by administration. Let the coaches coach. 

10 hours ago, Runcible Owl said:

How so? Parents in the mix is sometimes an indicator of weak admin support. AD Crume is behind him, right? Academic side too?

Lightning struck twice recently at Apollo -  Coach Edge and Coach Hawkins before him.

Don't know what parents are thinking. If Edge had not come back to the O'boro area who better did they think was/is coming to coach the Eagles.

Parents impact their players. When they're constantly telling the kids that coaches are making the wrong decisions, screaming from the stands that the wrong plays are being called, etc; they're undermining the guy that's actually accomplished and won something. Admin cannot control what goes on in the car on the way home from games. 

I think lightening struck a third time in securing Jody Ashby as well. I worked with an ER physician who played under him at Castle in Evansville. I'm not sure what role he's playing on the sidelines this year, but he was the S&C coach last year. 

11 minutes ago, Devils Fan said:

Even with the addition of coach Edge the Eagles still seem to struggle year in and out. Give me the purples big. 
 

BG 50 Apollo 7 

It's a shame too. We all know the guy can coach football. Parents won't let him do his job. 

21 minutes ago, nees1212 said:

We had the discussion about responsibility last week after 3 Dixie players had to leave the game due to lack of pads.  IMO, these kids are old enough to bear the responsibility of being properly equipped as they know what is required.  The coaches shouldn't have to go up and down the sideline checking pads and mouthpieces like they do in peewee football.

In essence, you're correct, but the step of having coaches certify this before the game is to put it back on the coaches when the need arises. We always asked this question prior to every baseball game I umpired back 20 years ago. So when a kid came up to the plate, got a hit with an illegal bat, the other team challenged the bat, and the appropriate rules were applied, the coach was faced with the fact that he had allowed this to occur. 

10 hours ago, Down4theblue said:

You don’t mess with Lucy or Marvin Moore.

I would never. Lucy is one of my favorite people in my industry. 

7 minutes ago, DearToday said:

I think refs sending people out for mouthpieces and knee pads are outdated. Half the mouthpieces are just chewed on and aren’t doing any kind of protection. The knee pads kids wear nowadays look like the tops of dip cans. They’re not doing anything. 

A 2019 systematic review and meta-analysis found the prevalence of dental trauma among mouthguard users to be 7.5% to 7.75% compared to 48.31% to 59.98% among non-users, and that mouthguard users were between 82% and 93% less likely to suffer dentofacial injuries.

The American Dental Association research would support their use, but that would include the caveat that they be worn appropriately. 

3 minutes ago, Brown said:

Gamein Paducah?

Surprisingly no. I would be much less surprised. This would be typical First region officiating. These are the worst the 3rd has to offer. People who I recognize more from cringing when they walk into the basketball arena. 

40-12, long play by McCracken.

mcCracken player with the two handed shove in the back on an apollo defender who was reaching for the ball carrier…no flag. 

Another player gone. These officials have waved off every flag they’ve thrown on the Mustangs and penalized Apollo all night. 

31-12 Mustangs

1:40 left in the 3rd

its been a long night of eleventy million degrees with a heat index of billionty-five.

Edge ejected, Apollo player ejected, Ref currently holding a midfield huddle asking the teams to put on a dress, hug, and kiss and make up. 

Phones can go in a clear plastic "shoe holder" like you'd hang on the back of your closet door. They're visible the entire time, no one can mess with them, and it becomes a great way to take attendance. We used this method to limit their interaction with them in my practice area for years. Now we have a culture where the athletes come in and they're not bothered with them because they're focused on the task at hand. In the right culture/environment, you can actually trust a teenager to make some fairly good decisions, but you have the create the culture first. I see nothing wrong with a little forced cultural shift. 

Bottom line is: It's not the school's responsibility to police people's unruly children. The school has some reach into dealing with the behavioral issues of those kids who go to school within the district, but they have exactly zero reach to deal with the behavioral issues of the randoms that show up at these games. 

Given what I've seen in the last decade, this is long overdue. 

On 8/22/2023 at 9:56 AM, theguru said:

Which I understand but if you are going to play it that way and shut down the entire cheerleading program there needs to be full disclosure once the investigation is complete and that is where most schools fail.  Time will tell...

Agree with this 100%. 

One of the former Rowan County cheer coaches is on or recently finished a stint on the KHSAA Board of Control. She's a wonderful lady, and I'm finding it really hard to believe anything significant will come out of this. 

With that said, I live on the other end of the state and can provide no insight. 

Last week:

McCracken Lost to Tilghman 42-7

Apollo lost to Owensboro Catholic 42-7

On paper, this seems like a much more competitive game for both teams than their season openers. What say you?