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Padres take game two 7-3.

13 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Yowza! What a win!

Go Tigers!

I thought it was a football game, then I snapped right back to reality. 

1 hour ago, TheDeuce said:

You've never been in a situation where someone other than a police officer was directing traffic?

Again, Scheffler (along with every other player going to Valhalla) had specific instructions/credentials to go into the course. It's not ridiculous to think one person in the mass of people could be misinformed on what the players were allowed to do. 

In a parking lot, but not on a main road (other than construction crews holding the big stop and slow signs) and certainly not anywhere near anything like that monstrosity. 

On the second point we have to agree to disagree. 

So looking at that above photo/scene of the collision, exactly who is going to be directing traffic other than a police officer?  And if there is some other authority directing traffic why would anyone feel that they have a right not to follow the directions of the person directing the traffic?  

This is the photo caption from Yahoo Sports:

Traffic mixes with police, fire and rescue vehicles on Shelbyville Road after a pedestrian was struck by a tour bus during the second round of the PGA Championship golf tournament at Valhalla Golf Club. (Photo: Clare Grant-USA TODAY Sports)

2 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Agree. I look for a better game 2 for the Celtics.

They almost let the Pacers steal game one. 

The Celtics got a little lucky and won in OT 133-128 in Game 1. 

3 minutes ago, Randy Parker said:

I don't speak for everyone, and I never watch women's pro basketball.  But I watched Clark once and was hooked in the same way Steph Curry hooked me.  They both play a style that's fascinating to watch.

The only other women's player I watched just because of the player was Griner.  She was just different and better.

So for me, Hill's argument doesn't carry weight.

Same, Clark's style fascinated me too and I think Steph is a good analogy.  It certainly didn't have anything to do with race or sexuality (like I had any clue about that), it was pure basketball talent. 

13 minutes ago, sportsfan41 said:

I read the article yesterday. I couldn't help but laugh at the end. A'JA Wilson was quoted saying it makes her blood boil when people say it's not about race. Acting as though Caitlin Clark wasn't a huge hit this past season in due to her breaking records, and leading her team to the title game. 🤦‍♂️

I think we are at a place in America where derogatory comments about race, religion, gender, and sexual orientation are mainstream. 

3 minutes ago, bugatti said:

Hill said race (duh) and her sexuality (probably to a lesser degree) played a role in her rise to fame. That is not exactly breaking news or a scorching take. She didn't say she was a bum on the court.

This is on par with someone saying Sydney Sweeny's hotness played a role in her rising to stardom and the faux outrage crowd saying, "Hater. She is only popular because she is a gifted actor!"  

While Hill may peddle in the race-baiting game a little much for me, this is pretty tame.

I had to Google Sydney Sweeny and yes she is pretty cute. 

A lot of people peddle in the race-baiting game and now it has evolved to the race and sexuality game. Ugh. 

From OutKick on Facebook.

Jemele Hill on Caitlin Clark's success:

"We would all be very naïve if we didn’t say race and her sexuality played a role in her popularity. While so many people are happy for Caitlin’s success — including the players; this has had such an enormous impact on the game..."

27 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

A lot of the haters are ignoring the fact that she was the #1 pick because Indy was horrible. LOL

Yes, she makes them better, but she can't do what she does with no help. 

I have had the same conversation with a couple of people off BGP and that is Indy is horrible and judging her performance needs to be done in the proper context. 

Just now, Oldercoach said:

Agree with the whining and untimely turnovers; but, I do think the exasperation she vocalized came from the physical beating she was subjected to and the imbalance of how the game was called.  Refs are obviously dishing her a little humble pie and she is going to have to just zip her lip and earn her stripes.  

It is a big jump up to the WNBA and I think her team is expecting a lot of her.  Plus, so many of the women in the WNBA are absolute super athletes that probably give their best efforts against Clark.  I agree she needs to zip it, watch her body language, and play ball. 

20 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

I just don't see that happening, at all. 

Just because he's rich doesn't mean he should pay anything if you or I wouldn't be expected to. 

You (I assume) and I don't have "any money" to speak of.

In this case he would pay to make this whole thing go away and maintain his name, image, and likeness. 

24 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

Is that not workers-comp? 

That is not my area of expertise but I doubt there would be a claim in a case like this. 

When people with money injure and/or wrong others, they usually end up paying.  

And putting myself in Scheffler's shoes, I know I didn't comply, I know a police officer was injured, I know I tell/show everyone what a great guy I am, I know if I don't pay I am probably going to get sued, I know if I get sued all the ugly details are going to come out, I know it could stretch on for years, and most of all I know I need to make this right because I know I did wrong.  Again, that is me in Scheffler's shoes. 

3 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

Pay him for what?

Scheffler's criminal conduct resulted in injuries to Detective Gillis. 

2 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

Yeah I'd say intent is going to be near impossible to prove in this case. 

I would not be surprised if this never goes to trial. 

I think Scheffler's intent was to get into the golf course and get warmed up for the PGA Championship.  

But to your point, I am still going with Scheffler will plea to something like Charge 4:  Disregard Signals From Officers Directing Traffic and Scheffler will pay the injured officer.  

Also remember what is in the post arrest complaint, it says:

Detective Gillis was in the middle of the westbound lanes, in full LMPD uniform and a hi-visibility yellow reflective rain jacket.

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So any defense of I didn't know it was a police officer is a huge reach. 

2 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

But wouldn't they have to prove that he knew it was an officer AND that he intentionally committed a reckless act? Saying he didn't know it was a cop would eliminate that, IMO. 

Claiming you didn't know it was an officer would be a convenient defense for every criminal.

But more to your point, this is why I included the lesser charge of Assault 3rd because under Assault 3rd intent is not a factor, all you have to be is reckless and have it result in an injury to a peace officer.  sf41 addressed this a few days ago about intent:

Yeah, to spell that out even further.  You don't have to have intent to do it, just be reckless, in a manor which results in it. The assault 2nd surprised me but again, I know nothing about what happened this morning. 

Just now, TheDeuce said:

I think you previously made the point that it would be extremely difficult to prove such a mental state in this particular case. 

Intentional is the hardest mental state to prove but Scheffler's comments about not knowing it was a police officer would probably lead a reasonable person to believe that his act of "not stopping" was in fact intentional.  So as I have learned more I think Assault 2nd with the intentional mental state is the correct charge because Scheffler incriminated himself.  At least in my opinion he did.